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Asshat. you and your crew at office depot will really be crying in your cheerios if we errect trade barriers.
No way the dems are that stupid, major recession/depression would follow.
Shit we get 60% of or oil from overseas, trade wars work both ways.
You want to depend on the US for you energy? Moron:clink:
 
Topspin said:
Asshat. you and your crew at office depot will really be crying in your cheerios if we errect trade barriers.
No way the dems are that stupid, major recession/depression would follow.
Shit we get 60% of or oil from overseas, trade wars work both ways.
You want to depend on the US for you energy? Moron:clink:
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Yep. switch to nuclear, fuck the mideast. I've never seen a more fascist braindead follower than you.

Oh, and disallowing slave labor, and insisting on basic human standards of decency and freedom, is not autarky.
 
Toppy, are you still trying to convince people that you know ANYTHING about economics after telling us that housing/real estate has little impact on the rest of the economy, when pretty much everyone attributes the market downfall of the past week to housing woes?

SMART, toppy....real smart.
 
AssHatZombie said:
CAWACKO, This is a pretty good list here. The only one really inconsistent with conservative values is the single payer.

Are you telling me wacko that conservative today means embracing slave labor and denying the governments right to set basic trade policy and working conditions?

Do you believe there was a time when unions were needed? Is it really true that even without regulation companies would be fair? IS that your idiotic contention?

You pick out one thing on a pretty good list, what about the rest? You, as a neocon, need to face your inconsistencies.

Shouldn't all people get health care? Do you want people dying in the streets? I know, I know "If anyone goes to the emergency room, they get treated." If you believe that, why not make it official, instead of burdening other organizations with having to foot the bill. Or do you not believe that?
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that was Cypress you were quoting there.
 
AssHatZombie said:
CAWACKO, This is a pretty good list here. The only one really inconsistent with conservative values is the single payer.

Are you telling me wacko that conservative today means embracing slave labor and denying the governments right to set basic trade policy and working conditions?

Do you believe there was a time when unions were needed? Is it really true that even without regulation companies would be fair? IS that your idiotic contention?

You pick out one thing on a pretty good list, what about the rest? You, as a neocon, need to face your inconsistencies.

Shouldn't all people get health care? Do you want people dying in the streets? I know, I know "If anyone goes to the emergency room, they get treated." If you believe that, why not make it official, instead of burdening other organizations with having to foot the bill. Or do you not believe that?
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I never responded to the list. I only responded to your post on subsidized medicine being called 'single payer'.

I will glady answer the others if you would like. I also don't speak for the conservative/libertarian movement, I speak for myself.

1) Yes we do need free trade agreements between the U.S. and other countries be they what didn't pass in the latest Doha rounds or bi-lateral trade wth another country.

2) Yes we need bi-lateral trade.

4) you know my feelings

5) the beggining of the thread said education was not enough for the trouble these people are facing. That can obviously be debated.

My positions: we need more market investment in education to bring new ideas and competition to our schools not more of the failing status quo. More private investment in science is great.
 
LadyT said:
I don't think that's necessarily true. You could definitely have the lion's share of your corporate law jobs outsourced. Not all lawyers go to trial or need to be physically present. There are some that really do mostly paper work and advise. When I worked with a 'lawyer' a few months ago, I never saw him at all, most of our communication was done by fax and I would have only needed him to go to the closing. The biggest obstacle would be overnighting documents in time. Only jobs where the customer or patient has to be physically be present to receive services are safe. i.e. nurses, doctors, mechanics, etc.
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As soon as Indians start going to American law schools, then move back to India to have my job outsourced to them, I'll be worried. To know American law you have to go to an American law school, or a law school that teaches about American law. They have to have local knowledge of the law in the area, and they have to keep up to date with changes in the law, and they have to be certified with the state in which they practice law. I honestly think that if I went to school in Mississippi I'd even have a difficult time getting a job somewhere else in the US.

I mean, it would be a pretty brilliant operation, if someone could set up a American law firm in India. But there isn't anyone with better job security than lawyers besides garbage men.
 
Darla said:
First, I want fair trade not free trade, and that means regulated trade. Second, I want universal health care, removing that burden from our corporations.

I'd look at so-called "protectionist policies", but you'll note I said we need new thinking on this. Outside the box. It will reach the point where we won't have a middle class, and that's going to hurt everyone, even the precious rich.
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What do you mean by regulated trade, LadyT?
 
Cypress said:
Do you have any new recommendations?

Yes:

1) No more lame ass NAFTA/CAFTA style trade agreements
2) Negotiate bilateral trade treaties that are fair to both labor and capital.
3) Enforce trade agreements and retalitate against countries that don't honor them (aka, China)
4) Universal single payer healthcare, to remove financial burden from american corporations and make them more competitive internationally.
5) Public investments in education, science, and infrastructure to build up the economy.
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CAFTA actually had a lot of stuff int here that regulated labour and such - this was mainly ignored by the socialist meadia, who mainly just highlighted that the nations could now trade, and how horrible it was, that individuals in two nations could trade.

I mean, Cypress, if you're honestly blaming a few measure in CAFTA for all of the jobs we've been losing, you're really delusional. Those measures were practically irrelevant economically. What do you mean? Like there's still a limit on American grain going into Mexico? You do realize that's because we have HUMONGOUS RIDICULOUS AMERICAN SUBSIDIES ON AGRICULTURAL, don't you?
 
cawacko said:
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!! Good sh*t Watermark. That is f*cking funny. (in case tone doesn't come through I mean that legitamately.)
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But the right to utilize slave labor and the right to screw your countrymen is not constitutionally protected like the right to free speech.
 
Watermark said:
CAFTA actually had a lot of stuff int here that regulated labour and such - this was mainly ignored by the socialist meadia, who mainly just highlighted that the nations could now trade, and how horrible it was, that individuals in two nations could trade.

I mean, Cypress, if you're honestly blaming a few measure in CAFTA for all of the jobs we've been losing, you're really delusional. Those measures were practically irrelevant economically. What do you mean? Like there's still a limit on American grain going into Mexico? You do realize that's because we have HUMONGOUS RIDICULOUS AMERICAN SUBSIDIES ON AGRICULTURAL, don't you?
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"Individuals in two nations trading" is really a dishonest characterization of the typical pattern of globalism that is destroying the west. The complaint is basically that human mistreatment has become a valid cost cutting measure in the ethical world of international business. In this context, humane treatment becomes a liability. Your support of this is sick and twisted.
 
Watermark said:
Free trade is FAIR trade.
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No. It's not fair. It's not fair to the slaves. It's not fair to western workers who live in countries that are more expensive.

American Government should be concerned with keeping all americans employed and relevant to the system, not facilitating the layoff of most of the country for the profit taking of the few. When they allow such macro level distortions in the market, there is less and less and individual can do to compete.
 
AssHatZombie said:
But the right to utilize slave labor and the right to screw your countrymen is not constitutionally protected like the right to free speech.
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Hooking up the country with a better overall life Ass Hat. You can thank me later homeboy because despite your passion which I respect you are very wrong. Keepin it real man.
 
cawacko said:
Hooking up the country with a better overall life Ass Hat. You can thank me later homeboy because despite your passion which I respect you are very wrong. Keepin it real man.
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It's not better for you if you're losing your job. The gdp is an abstract meaningless piece of bullshit which doesn't reflect a real increase in security for most americans. It represents consumption, which is not always wise.

You've been brainwashed and made into an anti american elitist asshole.
 
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AssHatZombie said:
It's not better for you if you're losing your job. The gdp is an abstract meaningless piece of bullshit which doesn't reflect a real increase in security for most americans. It represents cosumption, which is not always wise.

You've been brainwashed and made into an anti american elitist asshole.
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No Sir. I'm not sure who you think brainwashed me. That would be interesting to know. I know about market efficiencies (sp) homeboy and that brings a higher quality of life to all Americans.

Not hatin on you but you do what you have to do Sir.
 
cawacko said:
No Sir. I'm not sure who you think brainwashed me. That would be interesting to know. I know about market efficiencies (sp) homeboy and that brings a higher quality of life to all Americans.

Not hatin on you but you do what you have to do Sir.
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Efficiencies? You mean prison labor?


Some things are more important than efficiencies, like the employment of your fellow countrymen, or the inherent enhanced security of NOT empowering totalitarian enemies with billions of trade dollars.
 
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