Mass shooting in California

McRocket said:
Well...it took you two replies to degrade into strawman nonsense.
A slight improvement.

Show me EXACTLY where I typed 'better mental health care will make no difference in stopping, mass shootings'?....

...Better, mental health care can help the problem.
It almost certainly, cannot stop it on it's own.
And it certainly cannot stop, mass shootings any time soon....
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No doubt you truly believe all fault is mine and you are completely blameless.

This isn't 7th Grade debate, dumbass, and I'm not a fucking reporter. You were dancing all over the place and it looks to me like you did exactly what you repeated, putting mental health care thirdly to lastly on your solutions for further suppressing freedom of the press and adding more guns to the class room.

BTW, putting more guns in schools is a fear response. It's defensive. Better mental health care is proactive.

It takes a logical mind to do the math here: Which is more important?: Save up to 60K Americans every year or only up to 10K?
 
LV426 said:
Did you know that guns are basically a drug and that using them releases the same chemicals in your brain that heroin does?

For an inanimate object, so many people seem quite addicted to it, like heroin or crack.
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No. I've never felt a drug rush shooting firearms. Who fills you with such nonsense, Ms. LV?
 
LV426 said:
That's not going to stop them from committing those acts because places like YouTube, 4chan, and 8chan still exist and are still the fertile recruitment ground for mass shooters and white supremacists (often one in the same).

These guys aren't trying to get attention in the MSM, they're trying to get attention from their fellow assholes on 4chan, 8chan, Trump, and eventually, probably JPP.

These mass shooters don't watch the news, don't participate in mainstream journalism, and they spend their time in isolated places like 4chan and 8chan.
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Ummm...you don't seriously think I am going to get into this hyper-quote nonsense, you do?

Pass.

Bye now.
 
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Dutch Uncle said:
No. I've never felt a drug rush shooting firearms. Who fills you with such nonsense, Ms. LV?
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You wouldn’t feel a drug rush, it would be adrenaline. Training leads to less of a rush, it’s why you don’t feel it, but try to remember the first time you fired a gun. I remember how I felt.
 
Phantasmal said:
You wouldn’t feel a drug rush, it would be adrenaline. Training leads to less of a rush, it’s why you don’t feel it, but try to remember the first time you fired a gun. I remember how I felt.
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I know what an adrenaline rush feels like. Maybe when I was a kid shooting for the first time, but I don't recollect it. Adrenaline causes you to shake. It throws off the aim and/or can result in jerking the trigger.

If you've ever trained to shoot then you know it's about steadiness and breating.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
I know what an adrenaline rush feels like. Maybe when I was a kid shooting for the first time, but I don't recollect it. Adrenaline causes you to shake. It throws off the aim and/or can result in jerking the trigger.

If you've ever trained to shoot then you know it's about steadiness and breating.
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I’ve never had military training like yourself, but I went hunting with my dad.
 
Phantasmal said:
I’ve never had military training like yourself, but I went hunting with my dad.
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"Buck fever" is an adrenaline rush and commonly seen as fault. A rookie mistake. Shooters are taught to stay calm. Even civilian hunters.
Anyone who is getting a heroin-like rush shooting guns shouldn't be shooting guns..., operating machinery, or allowed around sharp objects. :)

You and I both know there are members of this forum who are wound a little too tight.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
"Buck fever" is an adrenaline rush and commonly seen as fault. A rookie mistake. Shooters are taught to stay calm. Even civilian hunters.
Anyone who is getting a heroin-like rush shooting guns shouldn't be shooting guns..., operating machinery, or allowed around sharp objects. :)

You and I both know there are members of this forum who are wound a little too tight.
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That’s exactly LV’s point, there are people who get a rush from using guns, they become addicted, and sometimes it can be disastrous.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/steven...-the-neuroscience-of-the-gun/?sh=e04b5d27eedd
 
Phantasmal said:
That’s exactly LV’s point, there are people who get a rush from using guns, they become addicted, and sometimes it can be disastrous.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/steven...-the-neuroscience-of-the-gun/?sh=e04b5d27eedd
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Disagreed that's what she said or meant:
LV426 said:
Did you know that guns are basically a drug and that using them releases the same chemicals in your brain that heroin does?

For an inanimate object, so many people seem quite addicted to it, like heroin or crack.
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She's claiming all gun owners are drug addicts.

Thanks for the link but mostly it looks like bad science: "Are there direct correlations? Has anyone yet done a PET or MRS scan (the only ways to screen for dopamine in the brain) of people just leaving a firing range? Not that we can tell (though we’ll outline this and a few possible areas of research in a moment). We do know, from copious amounts of video game research, that first person shooter games release dopamine, and this has been linked to everything from learning and rewards to ideas about violence and harm to winning and motivation."

They used people using first person shooter games where there's a chance of being "killed". I've felt more of the dopamine effect using games than I've ever felt on the range. Why? Targets and animals don't shoot back.
 
Phantasmal said:
That’s exactly LV’s point, there are people who get a rush from using guns, they become addicted, and sometimes it can be disastrous.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/steven...-the-neuroscience-of-the-gun/?sh=e04b5d27eedd
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Boys get their first air gun before the age of 10. We kill our first squirrel or rabbit shortly after that. It was single mothers who turned hunting with dad into a taboo. They hate their sons bonding with their ex over a campfire of fresh meat. It's the mother who gets a rush by breaking this bond.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Disagreed that's what she said or meant:She's claiming all gun owners are drug addicts.

Thanks for the link but mostly it looks like bad science: "Are there direct correlations? Has anyone yet done a PET or MRS scan (the only ways to screen for dopamine in the brain) of people just leaving a firing range? Not that we can tell (though we’ll outline this and a few possible areas of research in a moment). We do know, from copious amounts of video game research, that first person shooter games release dopamine, and this has been linked to everything from learning and rewards to ideas about violence and harm to winning and motivation."

They used people using first person shooter games where there's a chance of being "killed". I've felt more of the dopamine effect using games than I've ever felt on the range. Why? Targets and animals don't shoot back.
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She said “many people”

There are other peer reviewed studies on the matter, I just pulled an article for you to read.
 
goat said:
Boys get their first air gun before the age of 10. We kill our first squirrel or rabbit shortly after that. It was single mothers who turned hunting with dad into a taboo. They hate their sons bonding with their ex over a campfire of fresh meat. It's the mother who gets a rush by breaking this bond.
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Ridiculous
 
Phantasmal said:
She said “many people”

There are other peer reviewed studies on the matter, I just pulled an article for you to read.
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She also said "guns are basically a drug and that using them releases the same chemicals in your brain that heroin does"

I've never fired a gun and felt like I was on heroin.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
She also said "guns are basically a drug and that using them releases the same chemicals in your brain that heroin does"

I've never fired a gun and felt like I was on heroin.
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I guess your training worked or you’re not wired that way. Not all people who gamble become addicted, the same with sex, porn, alcohol, and religion, but many do.
 
Well those things are fun, like gambling. There's excitement or expectation of winning.

With guns, it's like BANG! BANG! BANG! And there's excitement and feeling being in control and power.
 
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