Mass shooting in California

T. A. Gardner said:
No, the gun is just a tool.
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A tool for what? Killing people.


The gun isn't the problem, people are the problem.
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So if people are the problem, why do you want to let the problem have guns?

That's just a fucking stupid thing to say.

The real problem is that "responsible gun owners" are never accountable for their weapons, which is why at least 200,000 of them wind up in the hands of criminals every year.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Taking away someone's hammer when they want to drive a nail only means they'll use some other tool to accomplish driving that nail.
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OK, so what is the metaphor here?

So the gun is a "hammer" that "drives a nail"? What? What "nail" is the gun "driving", metaphorically?
 
LV426 said:
CA has nothing to do with "responsible gun owners" losing their weapons, having them stolen, or selling them for the cash to someone shady.
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If a straw buyer buys the firearm in another state and resells it illegally in California it's the feds responsibility to prosecute them for that... If you are a California resident and you illegally sell your firearm to someone, then the state can prosecute you for that.

Under Penal Code 26500 PC, California law makes it a misdemeanor to sell, lease or transfer firearms without a valid license or permit. A conviction carries a sentence of up to six months in county jail and a maximum $1,000 fine for every firearm that is illegally transmitted.
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https://www.shouselaw.com/ca/defense/penal-code/26500/
 
McRocket said:
That is twice you appear to be blaming the left for this shooting (indirectly).
That it was their gun control laws that are the indirect cause of these shootings.

What is your solution to stopping, mass-shooting then?
If their ideas are so awful?
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Wrong. I'm stating that gun control laws as they are today do little or nothing to prevent such shootings. Adding more won't fix the problem as the problem is people, not guns. But for politicians, controlling people is much harder than controlling guns so those politicians take the easy way out.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
A concrete thinker would easily believe that inanimate objects are the problem.
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Did you know that guns are basically a drug and that using them releases the same chemicals in your brain that heroin does?

For an inanimate object, so many people seem quite addicted to it, like heroin or crack.
 
LV426 said:
OK, so what is the metaphor here?

So the gun is a "hammer" that "drives a nail"? What? What "nail" is the gun "driving", metaphorically?
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T. A. Gardner said:
Wrong. I'm stating that gun control laws as they are today do little or nothing to prevent such shootings. Adding more won't fix the problem as the problem is people, not guns. But for politicians, controlling people is much harder than controlling guns so those politicians take the easy way out.
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You didn't answer his question.
 
LV426 said:
A tool for what? Killing people.




So if people are the problem, why do you want to let the problem have guns?

That's just a fucking stupid thing to say.

The real problem is that "responsible gun owners" are never accountable for their weapons, which is why at least 200,000 of them wind up in the hands of criminals every year.
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Mankind is well known for using anything as a tool and for using that tool for good or evil. Shovel, ax, knife, net, pantyhose, etc.

Do you think shoving a pencil into someone's eye socket or ear canal firmly enough to reach the brain is a deadly weapon?
 
LV426 said:
Did you know that guns are basically a drug and that using them releases the same chemicals in your brain that heroin does?

For an inanimate object, so many people seem quite addicted to it, like heroin or crack.
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Where the hell did you come up with that lunatic, utterly insane, explanation of firearms?
 
T. A. Gardner said:
If you get rid of every gun and do nothing to get rid of violent criminals, will you still have violent crime?
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Probably, but you won't have violent GUN crime, which seems like a net positive thing, unless you want violent gun crime...which you may.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
If you get rid of every violent criminal, and do nothing to get rid of guns, will you still have violent crime?
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These hypotheticals are stupid and a distraction from the point that every single gun used by criminals was first bought legally by a "responsible gun owner".
 
T. A. Gardner said:
If a straw buyer buys the firearm in another state and resells it illegally in California it's the feds responsibility to prosecute them for that.
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You're still not getting it...you're focusing on when the criminal gets the gun as the problem, but the true problem comes before that, with the "responsible gun owner" buying a gun that they end up losing, have stolen, or sell themselves for the cash.

Not one single gun winds up in the hands of a criminal without first passing through the hands of a "responsible gun owner".

To end the problem, you need to curtail the supply and the only way to do that is to restrict gun ownership.
 
Cypress said:
You provided a list proving that gun homicides tend to be higher in conservative states, and then blame black people.

Maybe those states should elect different state governments
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St. Louis, Mo. has a homicide rate of over 60. They have had democrat mayors for over 70 years. It is the murder capital of the U.S. because of white libs.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Mankind is well known for using anything as a tool and for using that tool for good or evil.
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OK, but we're talking specifically about guns, and specifically that most guns used in gun crimes are supplied to criminals by people who legally purchase them.

So until you solve that problem, you're never going to be able to convince me of any other solutions.

And the reason I'm doing that is because you refuse to accept that people just like you, who believe this nonsense, are the ones who are supplying criminals with guns.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Wrong. I'm stating that gun control laws as they are today do little or nothing to prevent such shootings. Adding more won't fix the problem as the problem is people, not guns. But for politicians, controlling people is much harder than controlling guns so those politicians take the easy way out.
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Fine - but you avoided the question.


What is your solution to stopping, mass-shooting then?

No point in you knocking others for trying if you have nothing better to offer.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Where the hell did you come up with that lunatic, utterly insane, explanation of firearms?
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It wasn't me, it was actual studies:

America's Gun Addiction
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/time-out/201803/americas-gun-addiction

Addicted To Bang: The Neuroscience of the Gun
https://www.forbes.com/sites/steven...-the-neuroscience-of-the-gun/?sh=58983dcc7eed

America is addicted to guns, and we're in denial
https://www.ncronline.org/news/opin...tanding/america-addicted-guns-and-were-denial

Our culture of gun addiction
https://www.savannahnow.com/story/o...umn-our-culture-of-gun-addiction/11624147007/

The fact is that firing a gun releases the same chemicals in your brain that shooting up heroin or smoking crack does.

Guns are a drug that people become addicted to.
 
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