Mass shooting in California

Cypress said:
So your argument is that Red states are more depressed and suicidal.

The gun death-prone state of Wyoming is nearly 100 percent white. Oklahoma, Missouri and Tennessee do not have a larger minority population than California or New York. The fact that you saw racism where none existed says more about you.
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Wyoming? ... NOT as WHITE as Vermont.

Don't White libs support "assisted suicide"?

Just because White libs call drug overdoses "accidental" doesn't mean they aren't suicides.

Stop being dishonest. Most gun homicides are democrats shooting other democrats, and you know it, racist pig.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
COVID upped the numbers to about half. People don't like being locked up I guess.

Looking at previous years you can see the number is 2/3s suicides...which is the number I expect to see return given the Democrats keep refusing to address the mental healthcare issue. We can both agree the Republicans never gave a shit about it.

Average firearm murders per year were about 10K https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u....019/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-8.xls

Average suicides per year was over 40K. Democrats only care about the 50% of suicides that use guns. They don't ever address the 20K that commit suicide using poison, drugs, cars, etc....much less the million or so who attempt suicide but survive.

https://afsp.org/suicide-statistics/
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I'm still utterly confused about how your post addresses my statement of fact. It appears you are attempting to obsfucate by turning a factual statement into a partisan pissing contest.
 
Concart said:
I'm still utterly confused about how your post addresses my statement of fact. It appears you are attempting to obsfucate by turning a factual statement into a partisan pissing contest.
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Sorry. Please break down all of those "gun deaths" by type so that we can discuss it. Accidents, murders, suicides, race, geographical area, etc All are important to understanding the problem of reducing "gun deaths" in America.

Sure, banning is easier which is why the Democrats and Republicans favor banning shit they don't like, but, IMHO, banning is morally wrong and antithetical to American ideals.
 
Deinstitutionalization act of 1963 was passed by the Democrats. It is also known as JFK's Community Mental Health Act.



"What did the deinstitutionalization act result in?
During the 1960s, deinstitutionalization increased dramatically, and the average length of stay within mental institutions decreased by more than half. Many patients began to be placed in community care facilities instead of long-term care institutions.

Deinstitutionalization in the United States - Wikipediahttps://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Deinstitutionalization_in."
 
Bigdog said:
Wyoming? ... NOT as WHITE as Vermont.

Don't White libs support "assisted suicide"?

Just because White libs call drug overdoses "accidental" doesn't mean they aren't suicides.

Stop being dishonest. Most gun homicides are democrats shooting other democrats, and you know it, racist pig.
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You all spent message board careers hollering at us that conservatives were happier and more well adjusted than liberals .

But now you are strutting around the board arguing that red states are more depressed and suicidal.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Lot of good those strict gun laws do...

6 people shot in Oakland, at a school no less.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/six-people-shot-california-school-official-says-rcna49901
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Why is it so difficult for gun lovers to understand one can easily import guns from gun loving States into gun restricted States? In facf, an aspiring entrepreneur with a car trunk can make a quick buck. Plus, overall, California’s gun homicide rates are well below the majority of States with lose gun laws.

The overwhelming majority of guns in Chicago, the city the right loves to scapegoat, come from outside the city of Chicago, a good percentage from Indiana, a gun loving State and only a twenty minute car ride away. New York, one of the safest cities in America, traces over seventy percent of guns arriving via the “iron pipeline” from the Southern gun states
 
Cypress said:
You all spent message board careers hollering at us that conservatives were happier and more well adjusted than liberals .

But now you are strutting around the board arguing that red states are more depressed and suicidal.
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There is no doubt that they are. White libs are in a constant state of outrage and misery. Wyoming has 600k people. :palm: Farmers have a very high suicide rate because when they get old and start to lose their independence, they don't want to be leeches on society.

Top 11 States for gun homicide deaths

Georgia
10.5
1,093
New Mexico
10.8
216
Illinois
11.2
1,353
Maryland
11.4
649
Tennessee
11.5
753
South Carolina
12.7
622
Arkansas
13
371
Missouri
14
803
Alabama
14.2
654
Louisiana
19.9
873
Mississippi
20.5
576

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/homicide_mortality/homicide.htm
 
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archives said:
Why is it so difficult for gun lovers to understand one can easily import guns from gun loving States into gun restricted States? In facf, an aspiring entrepreneur with a car trunk can make a quick buck. Plus, overall, California’s gun homicide rates are well below the majority of States with lose gun laws.

The overwhelming majority of guns in Chicago, the city the right loves to scapegoat, come from outside the city of Chicago, a good percentage from Indiana, a gun loving State and only a twenty minute car ride away. New York, one of the safest cities in America, traces over seventy percent of guns arriving via the “iron pipeline” from the Southern gun states
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And that's your excuse for banning law abiding Blacks from legally owning firearms? ... sorry, don't buy it, racist pig.
 
Cypress said:
California has a relatively low gun mortality rate of 8.5 deaths per 100k.

These are gun mortality rates for redneck states:

Wyoming, 25.9 gun deaths per 100k.
Oklahoma, 20.9 deaths per 100k.
Missouri, 23.9 deaths per 100k.
Mississippi, 28.6 deaths per 100k.
Tennessee, 21.6 deaths per 100k.
Texas, 14.2 deaths per 100k.

^^ That compares to a gun mortality rate in California of 8.5 deaths and in Massachusetts of 3.7 deaths per 100k

New York has a gun mortality death rate of 5.3 deaths per 100k.

https://www.justplainpolitics.com/s...-shooting-in-California&p=5303369#post5303369
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"California's Approach to Gun Violence Could Be a Model for the Nation"

JULY 18, 2022
Gun violence in the U.S. is currently a public health crisis.

In 2020, the most recent year that data is available, more than 45,000 people died from gun-related injuries, according to the Pew Research Center; that’s a 14% increase from the previous year, 25% increase from five years ago, and a 43% increase from a decade ago.

As numbers climb nationwide, California has a completely opposite trend.

For more than 20 years—except for two years during the pandemic—the Golden State’s rate of firearm violence has consistently decreased. California has one of the lowest firearm mortality rates in the country. Its residents are less likely to die from a gunshot than almost anywhere else in the country, and are 25% less likely to die in a mass shooting.

https://time.com/6197797/california-gun-laws-lessons/
 
Bigdog said:
And that's your excuse for banning law abiding Blacks from legally owning firearms? ... sorry, don't buy it, racist pig.
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If a person meets the State requirements for gun ownership, no one is banned, Black, White, or anyone else, not that your comment had anything to do with my post
 
Bigdog said:
There is no doubt that they are. White libs are in a constant state of outrage and misery. Wyoming has 600k people. :palm: Farmers have a very high suicide rate because when they get old and start to lose their independence, they don't want to be leeches on society.

Top 11 States for gun homicide deaths

Georgia
10.5
1,093
New Mexico
10.8
216
Illinois
11.2
1,353
Maryland
11.4
649
Tennessee
11.5
753
South Carolina
12.7
622
Arkansas
13
371
Missouri
14
803
Alabama
14.2
654
Louisiana
19.9
873
Mississippi
20.5
576

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/homicide_mortality/homicide.htm
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Wow look at all those conservative Red states. 73 percent of those states are Red states.

Why did you cut it off at eleven? That's a weird place to draw the line
 
Trumpet said:
You neglected to mention that right wing states of Texas and Arizona with lax gun laws are close by, and this gunman could have easily got his guns there.
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Texas is halfway across the US from California. Driving there--you couldn't fly and bring a gun back--would take several days on the road. Arizona is a day + drive from the Bay area. If you maintain about 80 - 85 mph you can do it in about 14 to 15 hours. To get to a gun store that's worthwhile, tack on another 2 to 4.
 
Cypress said:
California has a relatively low gun mortality rate of 8.5 deaths per 100k.

These are gun mortality rates for redneck states:

Wyoming, 25.9 gun deaths per 100k.
Oklahoma, 20.9 deaths per 100k.
Missouri, 23.9 deaths per 100k.
Mississippi, 28.6 deaths per 100k.
Tennessee, 21.6 deaths per 100k.
Texas, 14.2 deaths per 100k.

^^ That compares to a gun mortality rate in California of 8.5 deaths and in Massachusetts of 3.7 deaths per 100k

New York has a gun mortality death rate of 5.3 deaths per 100k.

https://www.justplainpolitics.com/s...-shooting-in-California&p=5303369#post5303369
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Irrelevant to the topic at hand. Your rebuttal amounts to a red herring.
 
Cypress said:
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Wow look at all those conservative Red states. 73 percent of those states are Red states.

Why did you cut it off at eleven? That's a weird place to draw the line
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The diverse African American States that White libs hate.
 
archives said:
Why is it so difficult for gun lovers to understand one can easily import guns from gun loving States into gun restricted States? In facf, an aspiring entrepreneur with a car trunk can make a quick buck. Plus, overall, California’s gun homicide rates are well below the majority of States with lose gun laws.

The overwhelming majority of guns in Chicago, the city the right loves to scapegoat, come from outside the city of Chicago, a good percentage from Indiana, a gun loving State and only a twenty minute car ride away. New York, one of the safest cities in America, traces over seventy percent of guns arriving via the “iron pipeline” from the Southern gun states
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Another red herring. The topic at hand isn't where the gun came from, but that it was used in California--a state with strict gun control laws--in a mass shooting. What this shows is that those strict gun laws don't prevent or stop such an occurrence from happening. That is, because for the most part those laws are only obeyed by the lawful. A criminal doesn't give a shit about gun laws.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Another red herring. The topic at hand isn't where the gun came from, but that it was used in California
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Right, so it was bought somewhere else and brought into CA to commit a crime.

So how is that the fault of CA's gun laws?

Wouldn't it be the fault of wherever this person got the gun?
 
LV426 said:
Right, so it was bought somewhere else and brought into CA to commit a crime.

So how is that the fault of CA's gun laws?

Wouldn't it be the fault of wherever this person got the gun?
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I don't know if it was or not. Do you have a source that says it was?

Update. I looked at several articles on this. The shooter(s) has not been apprehended so we don't know where the gun came from. It is also the latest in a string of shootings and firearm incidents at that school, the last being on August 29th involving a 13-year-old with a gun...
 
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