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I have my moments.
Bigdog
Harris - make America a 3rd world shithole
Another racist white lib that wants to ban law abiding Black Americans from legally owning firearms.
Bigdog
Harris - make America a 3rd world shithole
And when 100,000 Americans die from fentanyl ... you say keep the border open.
When young girls are hacked to death with machetes ... you say keep the border open.
When they are sex trafficked ... you say keep the border open.
Another racist white lib that wants to ban law abiding Black Americans from legally owning firearms.
I don't think ANYONE should be allowed to own firearms because I don't think anyone has enough personal responsibility to safely own their weapons.
When 200,000 guns DON'T go missing every year, then I think I'd be comfortable easing gun laws.
But that's a mighty big hill for your "very fine people" to climb, and I'm 100% confident you can't meet that standard.
Why did Trump let all that fentanyl in the country when he was President?
Because Trump never seized these amounts at the border that Biden has, and fentanyl has been in the country since at least 2016.
So what gives?
When they are sex trafficked, you won't even let them get an abortion.
Dutch Uncle
* Tertia Optio * Defend the Constitution
Better mental healthcare. It's easy to see who's doing most of the shootings. Considering there's twice as many gun suicides as murders, the low-hanging fruit is to treat the causes of most suicides. Have you noticed that most mass shooters are suicidal? They're literally going out with a bang.
Treat the mental illness, usually depression in their cases, and the shooting will never happen. Sure, raise age requirements. Upgrade background checks...the same system would be used by employers and renters to verify a person is a legal resident.* <-- a Twofer!
Note, too, that most of these suicidal mass shooters telegraphed their intentions to the entire fucking planet via social media. Why was nothing done until it was too late? Where's the political support there?
Nikolas Cruz was a known nutjob. Why didn't his medical plan cover an annual mental health check? Especially after, as the cops knew, a mental health episode?
If a person has a heart attack, do the cops just send them home...or is the person taken to the hospital? It's not just a matter of separating nutjobs from guns, which should be done. It's mainly a matter of treating all nutjobs before they are a danger to themselves or others.
If Democrats really wanted to save lives, why don't they give a shit about this more than they do guns?** Let's not forget, they'd not only be saving about 10K murder victims and 20K suicide by firearms victims but also the other 20K suicides who used a necktie on a doorknob, drug OD or cut themselves in a warm tub with a warm drink.
Over 50K dead Americans annually related to mental illness and the Democrat solution is the same one they've had since 1992: Ban guns.
Now tell me it's all the fault of the Republicans. LOL
*Not the law of unintended consequences. Just the lack of foresight by concrete headed idiots only looking at the present, not the future....or maybe it's the LW backdoor into stopping indentured servitude in the US? Who knows?
**Their priorities are telegraphed for all to see just like the Republican priorities. Republicans refuse to move in a direction of better mental healthcare...probably because they'd lose too many voters. LOL
Dutch Uncle
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And when 100,000 Americans die from fentanyl ... you say keep the border open.
When young girls are hacked to death with machetes ... you say keep the border open.
When they are sex trafficked ... you say keep the border open.
Wow. Your fantasies are worse than Tranny Dicks Are Kool. Do you type your fantasies one-handed? Good job if you did. Not a single typo.
FWIW, drug addicts dying of drugs is not on my Top Ten List of US government priorities. If a city or state has that problem, then it's their fucking problem.
Your fantasies aside, the illegal immigration problem can only be fixed with Immigration Reform. Neither the Democrats nor the Republicans want to push that issue. Why? My guess is "follow the money". The big political donors who make the most use of the modern world's closest form of slavery. Quasi-indentured servitude.
Only fucking morons believe illegal immigrants are taking all the best jobs from Americans...unless those Americans are poorly educated, lazy dumbasses then, yes, illegals will take their jobs at 1/2 to 2/3s the pay....the business owner pockets the difference but puts the full pay figure on his expenses.
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-ta...ts-mostly-fill-jobs-u-s-citizens-do-not-want/
https://www.pewresearch.org/hispani...industries-of-unauthorized-immigrant-workers/
lot's of minorities in New York City and Los Angeles but they don't seem to be skewing the overall statewide homicide statistics to levels seen in Missouri.
So your logic is that black people in Red states are to
blame for high murder rates in those states, and white people in Red states are massively depressed and suicidal, explaining the extremely high gun mortality in those states
Well, thought out.
And I never said it was Repub's fault.
Nor did I say I agree with the Dems ideas on this.
However, you are excluding the fact that it is MEGA EASY to acquire hand guns on the black market.
The Virginia Tech shooter killed 33 - using just two, semi-automatic pistols.
Unless you are talking about shootings like the Vegas Shooter?
Rifles are NOT necessary for most, mass shootings.
And 3D printed guns are already a thing.
With 3D printers getting cheaper every year.
They will just get easier and easier to manufacture.
https://legionary.com/3d-printed-guns-in-2021-everything-you-need-to-know/
https://www.pcmag.com/picks/the-best-3d-printers
Beefing up background checks or raising wait times will eventually be meaningless.
When almost anyone will be able to 3D print a gun.
There is nothing wrong with the mental health angle.
Power to it.
But unless you plan on locking up everyone who seems suicidal - in case they might, 3d print a gun and go on a rampage?
Trying to tackle the mental health angle won't stop, mass shootings either.
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Dutch Uncle
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I'm still trying to figure out if BigDog is just a troll typing one-handed or if he's a bitter, demented geezer. Lately, I've been leaning toward the latter. He seems too far gone to know the difference.
Preaching to the choir: Geneticists have proved the label "race" is silly. Our differences are cultural; and culture can be chosen/learned.* As such, most murders are in low income areas...which explains the relatively high murder rates albeit low total numbers in poor, low population density areas of the nation.
Financial disparities also seem to be a major factor:
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/income-inequalitys-most-disturbing-side-effect-homicide/
Income Inequality’s Most Disturbing Side Effect: Homicide
Where financial disparities are greatest, the murder rate tends to be high
https://www.ojp.gov/ncjrs/virtual-l...and-murder-rates-some-cross-national-findings
Income Inequality and Murder Rates
Cities by per capita income: https://www.statista.com/statistics...n-the-top-20-most-populated-cities-in-the-us/
NYC is #9, LA is #12 and STL doesn't even make the list.
Cities by violent crime rate: https://worldpopulationreview.com/us-city-rankings/most-violent-cities-in-america
STL is #1. Neither NYC nor LAX make the list of 20.
Cities by education level: https://wallethub.com/edu/e/most-and-least-educated-cities/6656
25 New York-Newark-Jersey City, NY-NJ-PA
45 St. Louis, MO-IL
89 Los Angeles-Long Beach-Anaheim, CA
*consider Colin Kaepernick, a more than half "white" raised by white Wisconsin parents. This guy is whiter than I am culturally yet, because he had the right skin tone, he called himself "black" and chose to live "black" culture. He's a hero to the Left. Compare him to Rachel Dolezal, a "white" raised by "white" parents along with her fellow adopted African-American and Haitian siblings. She chose to call herself "black" and live "black" but was excoriated by everyone. Why the difference?
Dutch Uncle
* Tertia Optio * Defend the Constitution
Sorry, there was no intention to blame you. My intention was to point out the political party trends.
So what if guns are available by vending machine? The problem is that all of these mass shootings are by nutjobs...and nobody gives a shit until
they shoot someone.
Why do you jump to the extreme of locking up anyone who is suicidal? The mass shooters didn't wake up one day as a nutjob. They started becoming sick and only got sicker until they committed murder. No one did a damn thing to stop them.
Thanks for denying better mental health care is a solution. Carry on.
Sorry, there was no intention to blame you. My intention was to point out the political party trends.
So what if guns are available by vending machine? The problem is that all of these mass shootings are by nutjobs...and nobody gives a shit until
they shoot someone.
Why do you jump to the extreme of locking up anyone who is suicidal? The mass shooters didn't wake up one day as a nutjob. They started becoming sick and only got sicker until they committed murder. No one did a damn thing to stop them.
Thanks for denying better mental health care is a solution. Carry on.
Well...it took you two replies to degrade into strawman nonsense.
A slight improvement.
Show me EXACTLY where I typed 'better mental health care will make no difference in stopping, mass shootings'?
And don't bother posting the last sentence in my last post...because it does NOT say that.
And if you think it does?
You are less bright than I am giving you credit for being.
Better, mental health care can help the problem.
It almost certainly, cannot stop it on it's own.
And it certainly cannot stop, mass shootings any time soon.
The long term solution?
https://debatepolitics.com/threads/...full-time-or-reserves.464976/#post-1074905935
But how to stop mass shootings now?
I mean the lunatics who are trying to get large body counts?
(1) make it illegal for anyone - police, MSM, anyone - to post ANY details of mass shooters (assuming they are caught, right away).
Except to next of kin - of course.
The bloody, moronic cops? Posting the names and details of these mass shooters after they are dead/in custody is pure idiocy.
We know that many, mass shooters do it for attention.
To go down in history.
Remove that from them...you remove some of their reason to commit them.
(2) give every teacher in America a federal, bonus pay if they agree to carry a concealed weapon at school.
Even buy them a gun and a training course to properly use it.
However, they MUST carry the gun EVERY DAY in class.
And they MUST carry it concealed.
If just 5% of all teachers do this?
This will practically end the chance of a school, mass shooting...immediately.
It a mass shooter knows that numerous teachers will be carrying?
And he had no idea which ones?
There goes his hopes of a big, body count.
And for other mass shootings?
(3) pass a federal law giving a legal 'carry permit' to EVERY, American, legal gun owner.
In every state.
And even give income tax reductions to these gun owners who can prove that they ARE carrying their guns concealed (they MUST be concealed - for obvious reasons).
For a minimum number of days per month/year.
And instantly, mass shooters (except the Vegas Shooter-types...firing from long range.) will be drastically reduced.
No way a mass shooter is going to get his big, body count at a local Walmart if:
a) the law of averages is that at least - say - 10% of the customers are carrying.
and b) he has no idea who they are.
BTW - this would also cut armed robberies, WAY down...for the same reasons.
The solution to a drastic improvement of this madness is quite simple.
Sadly, the gun bunnies are too powerful and mentally disturbed to do (1).
And the lefties are too childish/stubborn to do (2) + (3).
btw - not all gun owners are 'gun bunnies'.
Just the fanatical ones.
The ones who clearly love their guns more than their children (though they would never admit that - even to their mentally-disturbed selves.).
We are done here.
Good day.
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That's not going to stop them from committing those acts because places like YouTube, 4chan, and 8chan still exist and are still the fertile recruitment ground for mass shooters and white supremacists (often one in the same).
These guys aren't trying to get attention in the MSM, they're trying to get attention from their fellow assholes on 4chan, 8chan, Trump, and eventually, probably JPP.
These mass shooters don't watch the news, don't participate in mainstream journalism, and they spend their time in isolated places like 4chan and 8chan.
You don't trust teachers with books, and now you want to give them guns?
So you want teachers teaching kids Critical Race Theory at gunpoint?
Ok.
Ok, so at what point can you tell when a person is a good guy with a gun or a bad guy with a gun?
Can you only tell that once they've acted?
If so, then what you're proposing here isn't really a solution to anything, and in fact will lead to MORE violence because of the very faded line that exists between a good guy with a gun and a bad guy with a gun.
You can't know who will be a good guy or a bad guy until they act, so all that does is make people extra paranoid and extra trigger happy if they see a ton of people walking around with guns and can't tell if they're bad guys or good guys.
You have a very juvenile proposal that clearly hasn't been given enough thought.
How do you tell the difference between a good guy and a bad guy? You can't until they act accordingly.
So arming everyone will undoubtedly lead to bad guys getting guns. LOTS OF THEM. Probably more than good guys with guns.
So that's not a solution.
You need to do better.
Please answer his question.