Mass shooting in California

[Bigdog]

I saw it on the CNN homepage below the hurricane news.


California has one of the lower gun mortality rate in the nation at 8.5 deaths per 100k people.

The gun mortality rate in Texas is 14.2 deaths per 100k
And in Florida the gun mortality rate is 13.7 per 100k

Massachusetts has a gun mortality rate of 3.7 deaths per 100k.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/firearm_mortality/firearm.htm

Vermont has a gun homicide rate of 0 and ...

"Vermont does not require permits to purchase and has no firearms registration. Both open carry and concealed carry are legal without a permit in Vermont. Any person 16 or older (although federal law requires the age to be 18) who can legally possess a firearm is allowed to carry openly or concealed."


New Hampshire also has a gun homicide rate of zero, and ...

" New Hampshire has not passed any meaningful gun safety laws in years, and recently enacted a law that allows people to carry loaded, hidden handguns in public without a background check or permit."

 

[cawacko]

I never said you were wrong about what would be said!

I asked what you didn't understand about what would be said?

I'll bite. Why or what do you think I didn't understand about what would be said? I think you have something in your head you are projecting on me because your face palm makes no sense.

 

[Cypress]

I saw it on the CNN homepage below the hurricane news.


California has one of the lower gun mortality rate in the nation at 8.5 deaths per 100k people.

The gun mortality rate in Texas is 14.2 deaths per 100k
And in Florida the gun mortality rate is 13.7 per 100k

Massachusetts has a gun mortality rate of 3.7 deaths per 100k.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/firearm_mortality/firearm.htm

These are gun mortality rates for other redneck states:

Wyoming, 25.9 gun deaths per 100k.
Oklahoma, 20.9 deaths per 100k.
Missouri, 23.9 deaths per 100k.
Mississippi, 28.6 deaths per 100k.
Tennessee, 21.6 deaths per 100k.

^^ That compares to a gun mortality rate in California of 8.5 deaths and in Massachusetts of 3.7 deaths per 100k

New York has a gun mortality death rate of 5.3 deaths per 100k.

.

 

[Geeko Sportivo]

I'll bite. Why or what do you think I didn't understand about what would be said? I think you have something in your head you are projecting on me because your face palm makes no sense.

Hint hint! I usually only face palm when I am embarrassed for someone else!

And here you already posed the problem of how all states suffer the consequences when not all states practice sensible gun laws!

So I am embarrassed for you that you do not understand this!

Next case please!

 

[Cypress]

Vermont has a homicide rate of 0 and ...

"Vermont does not require permits to purchase and has no firearms registration. Both open carry and concealed carry are legal without a permit in Vermont. Any person 16 or older (although federal law requires the age to be 18) who can legally possess a firearm is allowed to carry openly or concealed."


New Hampshire also has a homicide rate of zero, and ...

" New Hampshire has not passed any meaningful gun safety laws in years, and recently enacted a law that allows people to carry loaded, hidden handguns in public without a background check or permit."

You can Cherry pick individual statistics until the cows come home, but the fact remains undeniable that gun mortality rates in redneck states tends to be significantly higher than in the blue coastal "gun snatcher" states.

 

[Bigdog]

You can Cherry pick individual statistics until the cows come home, but the fact remains undeniable that gun mortality rates in redneck states tends to be significantly higher than in the blue coastal "gun snatcher" states.

As I proved, gun homicides have no correlation with firearm freedom

Redneck States? ... you mean diverse African American States you racist piglet.

And you are sooo dishonest, you make no distinction between suicides which on average make up 60% of gun mortality, and homicides.

Maryland is a blue coastal, gun snatcher State, and we have a very high homicide rate.

 

[Cypress]

Lot of good those strict gun laws do...

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/six-people-shot-california-school-official-says-rcna49901

California has a relatively low gun mortality rate of 8.5 deaths per 100k.

These are gun mortality rates for redneck states:

Wyoming, 25.9 gun deaths per 100k.
Oklahoma, 20.9 deaths per 100k.
Missouri, 23.9 deaths per 100k.
Mississippi, 28.6 deaths per 100k.
Tennessee, 21.6 deaths per 100k.
Texas, 14.2 deaths per 100k.

^^ That compares to a gun mortality rate in California of 8.5 deaths and in Massachusetts of 3.7 deaths per 100k

New York has a gun mortality death rate of 5.3 deaths per 100k.

https://www.justplainpolitics.com/s...-shooting-in-California&p=5303369#post5303369

 

[cawacko]

Hint hint! I usually only face palm when I am embarrassed for someone else!

So you were embarrassed that I understood the position those on the left in California would likely take? Again, I'll bite. Why is it embarrassing to understand positions or arguments people make? In your world do you only know positions you agree with and therefore even having an understanding of differing opinions is embarrassing? Seems rather ignorant to me but I could be wrong.

 

[Cypress]

As I proved, gun homicides have no correlation with firearm freedom

Redneck States? ... you mean diverse African American States you racist piglet.

And you are sooo dishonest, you make no distinction between suicides which on average make up 60% of gun mortality, and homicides.

Maryland is a blue coastal, gun snatcher State, and we have a very high homicide rate.

So your argument is that Red states are more depressed and suicidal.

The gun death-prone state of Wyoming is nearly 100 percent white. Oklahoma, Missouri and Tennessee do not have a larger minority population than California or New York. The fact that you saw racism where none existed says more about you.

 

[Geeko Sportivo]

So you were embarrassed that I understood the position those on the left in California would likely take? Again, I'll bite. Why is it embarrassing to understand positions or arguments people make? In your world do you only know positions you agree with and therefore even having an understanding of differing opinions is embarrassing? Seems rather ignorant to me but I could be wrong.

You are now arguing for argument's sake!

Either you agree that guns in the wrong hands present problems for society or you do not agree that they do!

If you do not agree that guns in the wrong hands are a problem- THEN I AM EMBARRASSED FOR YOU!

 

[Saint Guinefort]

You might note that it's not getting much play on the news. My guess is because it makes Progressive Leftists and their gun control issue look like shit...

Actually it's probably more of a sign that gun advocates have forced us to so "normalize" mass shootings that we can't cover them all the time because that is literally all we'd ever cover.

The Second Amendment floggers should rejoice: they won. America is firmly and 100% on the side of guns. Guns, guns guns guns guns guns. Can't get enough of 'em.

 

[Concart]

I saw it on the CNN homepage below the hurricane news.


California has one of the lower gun mortality rate in the nation at 8.5 deaths per 100k people.

The gun mortality rate in Texas is 14.2 deaths per 100k
And in Florida the gun mortality rate is 13.7 per 100k

Massachusetts has a gun mortality rate of 3.7 deaths per 100k.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/firearm_mortality/firearm.htm

Thank you. There is a direct and meaningful correlation between stricter gun control laws and lower gun death rates on a state by state basis. It's a fact. The notable exception is Illinois, but most guns used in Illinois are brought in from other states.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Thank you. There is a direct and meaningful correlation between stricter gun control laws and lower gun death rates on a state by state basis. It's a fact. The notable exception is Illinois, but most guns used in Illinois are brought in from other states.

2/3s of Liberal "gun deaths" are suicides. What educated, sane and intelligent people believe banning guns will cure suicide?

 

[Concart]

2/3s of Liberal "gun deaths" are suicides. What educated, sane and intelligent people believe banning guns will cure suicide?

I don't believe in banning guns. What exactly is a 'liberal' gun death? Where did you get that stat?

EDIT: I think I follow what you're saying. It's actually a little more than half. Nothing in my post suggested that a) guns should be banned or b) banning guns would stop suicide. I simply stated an objective fact. Based on the NRAs own analysis of who has strict gun laws, there is a DIRECT AND MEANINGFUL correlation between those stricter gun laws and lower gun violence rates. That is all types of gun violence, but of course if it is more difficult to get a firearm in a given state, there will also be fewer suicides by gun. Whether those suicides would have happened anyway is a completely moot point (I believe that some would and some wouldn't). Either way, that doesn't change the fact.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

I don't believe in banning guns. What exactly is a 'liberal' gun death? Where did you get that stat?

Several do believe in banning guns.

When a Democrat says "gun deaths" the numbers are inflated with suicide deaths. Notice they don't say "gun murders" or "gun homicides". Sometimes they'll say "gun violence" but it's a stretch when including suicide as violence upon oneself. It's dishonest. As dishonest as Republicans saying "We're not racist. We're just protecting white heritage".

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u....019/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-8.xls


https://afsp.org/suicide-statistics/

TBH, I'm surprised a smart guy like you didn't know this already.

 

[Phantasmal]

I don't believe in banning guns. What exactly is a 'liberal' gun death? Where did you get that stat?

EDIT: I think I follow what you're saying. It's actually a little more than half. Nothing in my post suggested that a) guns should be banned or b) banning guns would stop suicide. I simply stated an objective fact. Based on the NRAs own analysis of who has strict gun laws, there is a DIRECT AND MEANINGFUL correlation between those stricter gun laws and lower gun violence rates. That is all types of gun violence, but of course if it is more difficult to get a firearm in a given state, there will also be fewer suicides by gun. Whether those suicides would have happened anyway is a completely moot point (I believe that some would and some wouldn't). Either way, that doesn't change the fact.

Every study that has examined the issue to date has found that within the U.S., access to firearms is associated with increased suicide risk.

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu › risk

[h=3]Firearm Access is a Risk Factor for Suicide | Means Matter[/h]

 

[Concart]

Several do believe in banning guns.

When a Democrat says "gun deaths" the numbers are inflated with suicide deaths. Notice they don't say "gun murders" or "gun homicides". Sometimes they'll say "gun violence" but it's a stretch when including suicide as violence upon oneself. It's dishonest. As dishonest as Republicans saying "We're not racist. We're just protecting white heritage".

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u....019/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-8.xls


https://afsp.org/suicide-statistics/

TBH, I'm surprised a smart guy like you didn't know this already.

I edited my post to reflect my understanding. I believe that edit addresses the issues you just raised, and they do nothing to damage the veracity of my statement. It is accurate.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Every study that has examined the issue to date has found that within the U.S., access to firearms is associated with increased suicide risk.

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu › risk

[h=3]Firearm Access is a Risk Factor for Suicide | Means Matter[/h]

I support keeping firearms out of the hands of adolescents unless under the supervision of an adult but am against a Big Brother control preventing adults to commit suicide.

Better, IMO, to provide better mental health care than have Federal authorities punishing people for attempted suicide.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

I don't believe in banning guns. What exactly is a 'liberal' gun death? Where did you get that stat?

EDIT: I think I follow what you're saying. It's actually a little more than half. Nothing in my post suggested that a) guns should be banned or b) banning guns would stop suicide. I simply stated an objective fact. Based on the NRAs own analysis of who has strict gun laws, there is a DIRECT AND MEANINGFUL correlation between those stricter gun laws and lower gun violence rates. That is all types of gun violence, but of course if it is more difficult to get a firearm in a given state, there will also be fewer suicides by gun. Whether those suicides would have happened anyway is a completely moot point (I believe that some would and some wouldn't). Either way, that doesn't change the fact.

COVID upped the numbers to about half. People don't like being locked up I guess.

Looking at previous years you can see the number is 2/3s suicides...which is the number I expect to see return given the Democrats keep refusing to address the mental healthcare issue. We can both agree the Republicans never gave a shit about it.

Average firearm murders per year were about 10K https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u....019/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-8.xls

Average suicides per year was over 40K. Democrats only care about the 50% of suicides that use guns. They don't ever address the 20K that commit suicide using poison, drugs, cars, etc....much less the million or so who attempt suicide but survive.

https://afsp.org/suicide-statistics/

 

[LurchAddams]

A key reason why Democrats are anti-State's Rights and seek to force their views upon other states.

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You got it, powder-head. Now go clean your spooge off your precious AK.