Mark Levin on Tariffs and courts.

The port was not blockaded at the time.

The South Carolina militia fired the first shots.

Go learn what 'fact' means. It does not mean 'Universal Truth'. Go learn what 'real' means. It does NOT mean 'Universal Truth'.

The only upset is YOU, for some reason.

You don't get to speak for the dead. Omniscience fallacy.

The War of Secession was not over tariffs.

Yes, real history isn't your strong point. that;s why you rely on historical fantasy pretty much 100% of the time.
 
heads of state murder people over Jay walking laws too.

this is an odd case of cherry picking a bad aspect of war.

the whole nation eventually benefitted from the tariffs that made America a global superpower.

you're welcome.

the mistake was getting rid of them ever.

:truestory:

Moderate tariffs, not the idiotic 300% ones, which are nothing more than an extortion racket against the South at the time. They completely altered the entire tax system to favor the northern interests, then sniveled and cried when they said 'fuck you' and started setting up their own trade union. They decided on a 10% tariff. Guess who would then be getting most of the shipping trade? They would have dominated the western trade and forced a bunch of crooks into having to compete in an open market instead of one ruled by trusts and bankers.
 
Yes, you got nothing.
Inversion fallacy.
Real history
Buzzword fallacy.
isn't kind to ideologues and Party shills.
Go learn what a 'shill' is. Go learn English.
But don't worry, I didn't post the info because I actually care what ideologues think,
Go learn what 'ideologue' means. Buzzword fallacy.
I just post it so those who want to know real history can go check it out. We don't all worship the GOP and feel like babbling idiot propaganda like a kid being paid a nickel to sweep a sidewalk.
Buzzword fallacies. Random phrases. No argument presented.

Go learn English.
 
Moderate tariffs, not the idiotic 300% ones, which are nothing more than an extortion racket against the South at the time.
What 'tariff'???
They completely altered the entire tax system to favor the northern interests,
What 'tax system'???
then sniveled and cried when they said 'fuck you' and started setting up their own trade union.
What 'trade union'???
They decided on a 10% tariff.
What 'tariff'???
Guess who would then be getting most of the shipping trade? They would have dominated the western trade and forced a bunch of crooks into having to compete in an open market instead of one ruled by trusts and bankers.
?????????

:cruisewhat:
 
What 'tariff'???

What 'tax system'???

What 'trade union'???

What 'tariff'???

?????????

:cruisewhat:

Yes, you are indeed completely ignorant. Nothing new there. We get it; Democrats All Bad all the time. Republicans all good all the time. Your self-assigned job is be the thought Police for the idiots who think the GOP is grand, and you can't stand anything that doesn't promote that bullshit. You're no different than the commie deviants in that regard.

Now post 20 more pages of parsed rubbish and pretend you're a Player. lol
 
Yes, you are indeed completely ignorant. Nothing new there.
Of what??? Your wacky wanderings?
We get it; Democrats All Bad all the time.
Quite true. You've turned feeling bad into an art form.
Republicans all good all the time.
I would say most do these days.
Your self-assigned job is be the thought Police for the idiots who think the GOP is grand,
?????
and you can't stand anything that doesn't promote that bullshit. You're no different than the commie deviants in that regard.
You have no idea what communism is, do you?
Now post 20 more pages of parsed rubbish and pretend you're a Player. lol
Random words ignored.
 
Yes, you are indeed completely ignorant. Nothing new there. We get it; Democrats All Bad all the time. Republicans all good all the time. Your self-assigned job is be the thought Police for the idiots who think the GOP is grand, and you can't stand anything that doesn't promote that bullshit. You're no different than the commie deviants in that regard.

Now post 20 more pages of parsed rubbish and pretend you're a Player. lol
yes. libertarians and communists have the same goal, the eventual destruction of the state so nobody can tell oligarchs no.
 
Ah, a moron thinks it knows stuff.

Projection

The process of displacing one’s feelings onto a different person, animal, or object. The term is most commonly used to describe defensive projection—attributing one’s own unacceptable urges to another.


Sucks knowing that Republicans invented American socialism, trashed the Constitution and ran the most corrupt era of our history for you fantasists. lol

Dumbest shit I've read today. What really must suck is you being a brainless halfwit with the IQ of a lemming thinking you know what you are erroneously whining about.

ignorance
/ĭg′nər-əns/
noun

The condition of being uneducated, unaware, or uninformed.

The condition of being ignorant; the lack of knowledge in general, or in relation to a particular subject; the state of being uneducated or uninformed.

A willful neglect or refusal to acquire knowledge which one may acquire and it is his duty to have.
 
Yes, real history isn't your my strong point.

FIFY brainless dumb fuck. :laugh:

that;s why you rely on historical fantasy pretty much 100% of the time.

Projection

The process of displacing one’s feelings onto a different person, animal, or object. The term is most commonly used to describe defensive projection—attributing one’s own unacceptable urges to another.
 
FIFY brainless dumb fuck. :laugh:



Projection

The process of displacing one’s feelings onto a different person, animal, or object. The term is most commonly used to describe defensive projection—attributing one’s own unacceptable urges to another.

Are you afraid if you don't suck up to the GOP shills here they will change the secret handshake and lock you out of the treehouse? lol
 
Projection

The process of displacing one’s feelings onto a different person, animal, or object. The term is most commonly used to describe defensive projection—attributing one’s own unacceptable urges to another.



Dumbest shit I've read today. What really must suck is you being a brainless halfwit with the IQ of a lemming thinking you know what you are erroneously whining about.

ignorance
/ĭg′nər-əns/
noun

The condition of being uneducated, unaware, or uninformed.

The condition of being ignorant; the lack of knowledge in general, or in relation to a particular subject; the state of being uneducated or uninformed.

A willful neglect or refusal to acquire knowledge which one may acquire and it is his duty to have.

Oh my, I triggered a GOP shill. Good.
 
yes. libertarians and communists have the same goal, the eventual destruction of the state so nobody can tell oligarchs no.

During the period when the U.S. federal government was funded entirely by tariffs, primarily from 1790 to 1860, the economy relied heavily on import duties as its main source of revenue. This reliance on tariffs not only generated funds for the government but also served to protect emerging domestic industries from foreign competition, fostering early industrial growth in the nation. -- duck duck go assist​


Compare those to the ones Lincoln wanted forced on the country. They were ridiculously high and would only serve to help monopolies and Wall Street bankers, already corrupt and incompetent. It was mote than just tariffs, it was the massive land giveaways to the railroads, the Homestead Acts, which were basically just a franchise of the railroad giveaways, and the Land Acts, all just freebies for speculators and insiders like the pols profiting from the govt. construction and land giveaways to the Union Pacific scam.


 
Mark correctly argues that private parties cannot bring separation of power cases to these courts as separation of powers questions are resolved through Congress.
That is one of the dumbest positions I have ever heard. Of course the people who have to pay a tax are allowed to challenge the tax. If they do not pay the tax, they will go to prison, are you arguing that they cannot challenge being sent to prison?

Obviously, the importers have a legal standing to challenge the law, because they have to pay the taxes.

The framers of the Constitution did not grant courts, such as the International Court of Trade, the final authority on matters like tariffs, reserving that power for Congress.
The Framers of the Constitution definitely gave the right to redress in the courts when taxed.

but tariffs are part of trade and treaty powers and thus clearly firmly under the sole authority of the president.
The Constitution clearly says that duties(another name for tariffs) are under the sole authority of the Congress. It goes on to say Congress has sole authority over trade, and taxes in general.

The president has to consult with Senate, and get a two thirds support from the Senate over treaties. But, treaties would not generally raise tariffs. You end a war with a peace treaty, but it would be odd to start a war with a war treaty. When the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor, the USA unilaterally responded by declaring war. We did not negotiate with the Japanese to declare a war treaty. The same is true with a trade war.

the president handles trade agreements.
So all foreign countries have to do is not agree, and your whole argument falls apart?

It is about INTERSTATE commerce. Not foreign trade. :palm:
[The Congress shall have Power] To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;
So when the Constitution says "foreign nations", you think it was just a joke?

Blockading ports are universally considered acts of war,
Fort Sumter did not blockade the port, so you have no point.

heads of state murder people over Jay walking laws too.
That would be a bit extreme.
 

During the period when the U.S. federal government was funded entirely by tariffs, primarily from 1790 to 1860, the economy relied heavily on import duties as its main source of revenue. This reliance on tariffs not only generated funds for the government but also served to protect emerging domestic industries from foreign competition, fostering early industrial growth in the nation. -- duck duck go assist​


Compare those to the ones Lincoln wanted forced on the country. They were ridiculously high and would only serve to help monopolies and Wall Street bankers, already corrupt and incompetent. It was mote than just tariffs, it was the massive land giveaways to the railroads, the Homestead Acts, which were basically just a franchise of the railroad giveaways, and the Land Acts, all just freebies for speculators and insiders like the pols profiting from the govt. construction and land giveaways to the Union Pacific scam.


yes.

that was all kinds of mercantilism and fascism all mixed together.


the illuminists are capable of growing a country and causing it to flourish as well.

they are smart people, capable of great good or evil, according to their whim.


I pray for them.
 
yes.

that was all kinds of mercantilism and fascism all mixed together.


the illuminists are capable of growing a country and causing it to flourish as well.

they are smart people, capable of great good or evil, according to their whim.


I pray for them.

Trump's tariffs are much more in line with those back then, before Lincoln, 10%-30% range, with a few punitive ones, which usually get negotiated back down as they lower their tariffs on our stuff. After 1870 they were back to that range but a little higher, some in the 50% range, but the land and railroad scams were still in effect and the 'Gilded Age' of SC corruption, judicial activism, and general warfare on small and medium businesses created a 'Left' in this country that didn't exist pre-civil war.
 
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Fort Sumter did not blockade the port, so you have no point.

Hey dumbass, that was the while point of it being there, idiot. Buchanan tried to use it to keep collecting Union tariffs, and all that did was cause 4 other states to secede; Lincoln wanted that exact same reaction, and got it. If anybody refused to be shaken down trying to enter the harbor, they would be fired upon by the fort.

Mn, you really are never right; an amazing 100% record so far.
 
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