Many fewer U.S. gun owners

  • Thread starter Thread starter Guns Guns Guns
  • Start date Start date
The gunlovers don't seem to comprehend that fewer individuals and households does not equate to fewer guns, it means fewer gunlovers.
 
¯¯¯̿̿¯̿̿’̿̿̿̿̿̿̿’̿̿’̿̿;813159 said:
Well, according to the FBI- the people who actually conduct the checks, so presumably they are more "educated" on the subject than you - "statistics represent the number of firearm background checks initiated through the NICS. They do not represent the number of firearms sold. Based on varying state laws and purchase scenarios, a one-to-one correlation cannot be made between a firearm background check and a firearm sale."

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/nics/reports/copy_of_TotalNICSBackgroundChecks.pdf

This fact has been pointed out to you numerous times in this thread, and apparently you forgot that. Have you seen a healthcare professional recently?
Click to expand...

No, you are the one who cannot grasp a simple fact.

They say "Based on varying state laws and purchase scenarios, a one-to-one correlation cannot be made between a firearm background check and a firearm sale."

No where in that statement does it say it is less. Since it is possible to buy MORE than one firearm, and since the NICS is not run until the person is ready to make a purchase, the number of firearms sold may be HIGHER than the number of NICS checks. As was reported by an FFL holder, if you get an approved NICS check and do not sell a gun, it creates a discrepancy in your records.

So, once again, the number may be higher but there is no reason for it to be lower.
 
WinterBorn said:
No, you are the one who cannot grasp a simple fact.

They say "Based on varying state laws and purchase scenarios, a one-to-one correlation cannot be made between a firearm background check and a firearm sale."

No where in that statement does it say it is less. Since it is possible to buy MORE than one firearm, and since the NICS is not run until the person is ready to make a purchase, the number of firearms sold may be HIGHER than the number of NICS checks. As was reported by an FFL holder, if you get an approved NICS check and do not sell a gun, it creates a discrepancy in your records.

So, once again, the number may be higher but there is no reason for it to be lower.
Click to expand...


See post 421, take two aspirin, and call me in the morning.
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
You're nothing but a sick fuck who will go to any lengths to try and make your stupidity some kind of truth.
He mentioned High School Shooting Team and you brought up two deranged individuals and then you try to say insinuate that they equate.
Click to expand...

Do I deserve to be beheaded and have my head placed on a pike, in the middle of the park, where children can see what happens to those that act the way I do?

Just wondering.
 
¯¯¯̿̿¯̿̿’̿̿̿̿̿̿̿’̿̿’̿̿;813201 said:
See post 421, take two aspirin, and call me in the morning.
Click to expand...

Ok, so you admit you are a headache. cool.

Look, this has been explained numerous times and you have no evidence that people are getting NICS approvals and not buying a firearm. In fact, an FFL holder explained the problem with that. Your quote you have posted repeatedly simply says there is no one-to-one corrolation. It does not say there are more calls than guns sold.
 
Topspin said:
the warrior times one, you mean I get to laugh at that twice
Click to expand...

So that is a tenth of the number of times I have laughed you. Maybe you'll catch up.

Topper, perhaps if you looked at the article instead of laughing at the magazine title, you would be better off.
 
WB is disputing a survey he doesn't understand.

Does he know where or how the survey was conducted?

Does he know the actual sample size?

Does he know the average sample size in a typical national survey?

Does he know what questions the responddents were asked?

He saw "fewer" and "guns" in the same sentence, and his fear reflex kicked in.



fearful+lady.jpg
 
WinterBorn said:
Ok, so you admit you are a headache. cool.

Look, this has been explained numerous times and you have no evidence that people are getting NICS approvals and not buying a firearm. In fact, an FFL holder explained the problem with that. Your quote you have posted repeatedly simply says there is no one-to-one corrolation. It does not say there are more calls than guns sold.
Click to expand...

Did you read post 421?

Sure doesn't look like it.

Have you looked at the survey and the responses?
 
yet another says again 30%
November 22, 2005
Gun Ownership and Use in AmericaWomen more likely than men to use guns for protectionby Joseph Carroll, Gallup Poll Assistant Editor
How many Americans personally own guns, and what do they use them for? A recent Gallup Poll* shows that 3 in 10 Americans personally own a gun; most gun owners say they use their guns to protect themselves against crime, for hunting, and for target shooting. Gun ownership varies by different groups in the country, with men more likely to be gun owners than women, Southerners and Midwesterners more likely than Easterners or Westerners, Republicans more so than Democrats, and older rather than younger Americans.
 
¯¯¯̿̿¯̿̿’̿̿̿̿̿̿̿’̿̿’̿̿;813213 said:
Did you read post 421?

Sure doesn't look like it.

Have you looked at the survey and the responses?
Click to expand...

Post #421 was a reply to me explaining about the one-to-one corrolation between the NICS checks and gun sales. You have maintained that it does not an increase in NICS calls does not mean an increase in gun sales. Now you want to pretend that it is somehow referring to the poll of 1500 people?
 
¯¯¯̿̿¯̿̿’̿̿̿̿̿̿̿’̿̿’̿̿;813211 said:
WB is disputing a survey he doesn't understand.

Does he know where or how the survey was conducted?

Does he know the actual sample size?

Does he know the average sample size in a typical national survey?

Does he know what questions the responddents were asked?

He saw "fewer" and "guns" in the same sentence, and his fear reflex kicked in.
Click to expand...
I understand the survey quite well. I also understand that a survey, by its very nature, is not a guaranteed fact.

I know how, but the "where" was unclear. It claimed to be national, but listed no major areas. It was a face to face interview, so it wasn't randomly spread around the nation. Care to tell me where it was done?

I quoted the number listed in the link you provided. Of course, there were several years in which there was no survey.

Why would I be afraid of there being fewer households with guns? I have my guns. I know plenty of people with guns. You have proclaimed that no one is trying to take our guns. If anything, burglars will pick the unarmed homes over mine. Why would I be afraid?
 
WinterBorn said:
Post #421 was a reply to me explaining about the one-to-one corrolation between the NICS checks and gun sales.?
Click to expand...


It is?

Here's post 421. Point out the part of this post that explains "about the one-to-one corrolation between the NICS checks and gun sales".

¯¯¯̿̿¯̿̿’̿̿̿̿̿̿̿’̿̿’̿̿;813187 said:
The gunlovers don't seem to comprehend that fewer individuals and households does not equate to fewer guns, it means fewer gunlovers.
Click to expand...


WinterBorn said:
You have maintained that it does not an increase in NICS calls does not mean an increase in gun sales.
Click to expand...


I've posted a verbatim statement by the FBI and supplied a link to said quote. Why don't you believe the FBI?


WinterBorn said:
Now you want to pretend that it is somehow referring to the poll of 1500 people?
Click to expand...


If you review the thread, I think you'll find it's you and your fellow gunlovers doing that bit of pretense.
 
WinterBorn said:
I understand the survey quite well. I also understand that a survey, by its very nature, is not a guaranteed fact.

I know how, but the "where" was unclear. It claimed to be national, but listed no major areas. It was a face to face interview, so it wasn't randomly spread around the nation. Care to tell me where it was done?

I quoted the number listed in the link you provided. Of course, there were several years in which there was no survey.

Why would I be afraid of there being fewer households with guns? I have my guns. I know plenty of people with guns. You have proclaimed that no one is trying to take our guns. If anything, burglars will pick the unarmed homes over mine. Why would I be afraid?
Click to expand...

If all the above is true, then you'll have no difficulty answering these questions, will you?

Where and how was the survey conducted?

What was the actual sample size?

What is the average sample size in a typical national survey?

What questions were asked of the respondents?

Oh, and one more..how will a burglar know that Fortress Winterborn is protected by a heavily-armed, hypervigilant gunlover and the neighbor's more modest dwellings are not?
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top