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Cited.
Cited.
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¯¯¯̿̿¯̿̿’̿̿̿̿̿̿̿’̿̿’̿̿;811676 said:
That is me claiming that the firearms industry "...donates to the NRA altruistically"? lol
Quite an imagination you have. What you quoted was me explaining that the NRA works it's members and for the citizen, not for the firearms industry.
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Exactly.
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¯¯¯̿̿¯̿̿’̿̿̿̿̿̿̿’̿̿’̿̿;811680 said:
It is absolutely not.
What is so hard to comprehend about the NRA being a lobbying group for its members and all citizens,?
You never answered my question, what do you think would happen to the firearms industry if the 2nd Amendment were seriously curtailed or removed?? Can you manage an answer to that simple little query?
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What's so hard to comprehend about the evidence that the NRA lobbies for gun manufacturers?
"Organized Corporate Solicitation Program Disproves Longstanding NRA Claim That It's Independent of Gun Industry: The National Rifle Association (NRA) receives millions of dollars directly from domestic and foreign gun manufacturers and other members of the firearms industry through an organized corporate outreach program..."
http://m.cnbc.com/id/42570948/Natio...try_Corporate_Partners_New_VPC_Report_Reveals
"The mutually dependent nature of the National Rifle Association and the gun industry explains the NRA's unwillingness to compromise on even the most limited controls over firearms or related products (such as restrictions on high-capacity ammunition magazines)....The NRA claims that its positions are driven solely by a concern for the interests of gun owners, never mentioning its own financial stake in protecting the profits of its gun industry patrons. At the 2009 Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC), NRA Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre told a cheering crowd that 'the guys with the guns make the rules.'"
http://www.thestreet.com/story/1108...rs-new-vpc-report-reveals.html?cm_ven=RSSFeed
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¯¯¯̿̿¯̿̿’̿̿̿̿̿̿̿’̿̿’̿̿;811685 said:
I have never said the firearms industry does not donate to the NRA.
Why won't you answer the very simple question I asked?
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It absolutely is.
Add the firearms industry and you've got it.
Irrelevant.
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WinterBorn
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¯¯¯̿̿¯̿̿’̿̿̿̿̿̿̿’̿̿’̿̿;811702 said:
Irrelevant? lmao It is the only relevant fact for why the firearms industry donates money to the NRA. How can what happens to the firearms industry if the 2nd amendment is removed, be irrelevant in a discussion of the NRA and the firearms industry?
Look, since you obviously are just trolling, lets see if you can keep up.
The NRA lobbies for its members and for citizens. It protects the 2nd Amendment rights of US citizens.
The firearms industry sells firearms, ammunition and gun gear. If the citizens cannot own guns, they are completely out of business.
Does that make it any clearer? The NRA does not lobby for the firearms industry. But the NRA's lobbying does keep the firearms industry's customers spending money. So the NRA's lobbying for citizens is very beneficial to the firearms industry, in that it keeps their customers able to buy and own firearms.
Look at the nations with the strictest gun laws. How is their firearms industry doing? Are they making lots of money? Or do they have to survive solely on exports?
Make sense now? (I know you won't admit it, but surely you can see how it works)
SmarterthanYou
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¯¯¯̿̿¯̿̿’̿̿̿̿̿̿̿’̿̿’̿̿;811644 said:
the vpc is a completely biased anti gun organization. thus any word they utter is generally false. try another source
SmarterthanYou
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¯¯¯̿̿¯̿̿’̿̿̿̿̿̿̿’̿̿’̿̿;811685 said:
again, the vpc is simply telling falsehoods. you need to get as far away from anything they put out as possible if you wish to have any credibility in this debate. I told you who the lobbying group is for the firearms industry and it isn't the NRA.
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Topper, just a little hint. This ain't Europe. It is not the same culture, society or criminal element.
SmarterthanYou
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fixed that for ya
Topspin
Verified User
No shit, we are much more murderous
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If you stand up for the second amendment, the NRA will stand up for you—that's what the gun rights juggernaut claims, at least.
But, increasingly, the lobby's incestuous relationship with the gun manufacturers begs the question: Is the the NRA advocating for people who own guns? Or the lucrative companies that make them?
Highlighting this dynamic, the Center for Public Integrity's Peter Stone writes about MidwayUSA, a gun manufacturer that sells high-capacity magazines similar to the one used in the Arizona shooting spree, and its close ties to the NRA's lobbying wing.
In 1992, Midway developed a lucrative fundraising tactic to curry favor with NRA, known as "round up": Midway asks customers to round up the total of each order they place to the nearest dollar or higher, then donates the difference to the NRA's lobbying shop, known as the Institute for Legislative Action.
But the relationship between Midway and the NRA doesn't end there.
Brenda Potterfield, the wife of Midway's CEO, is the vice president of the NRA Foundation's board of trustees.
A number of other gun manufacturers have adopted the technique, reports Stone. Together with Midway, they've funneled $7.5 million to the NRA, $5.7 million of that coming just from MidwayUSA. As Stone reports:
Further, some of these vendors of high-capacity magazines also boast executives who are board members of the NRA.
Ronnie Barrett, the CEO of Tennessee-based Barrett Firearms Manufacturing, which makes a military-style rifle sold with high-capacity magazines, was elected to the NRA board in 2009. And Pete Brownell, who runs Iowa-based Brownells Inc., which also makes high-capacity magazines, joined the NRA board in 2010.
The strong financial and corporate ties to the NRA underscore how the gun rights goliath has become increasingly intertwined with some of the nation’s leading accessory vendors that sell high-capacity magazines.
http://motherjones.com/mojo/2011/01/nra-advocates-midway-gun-lobby-second-amendment
But, increasingly, the lobby's incestuous relationship with the gun manufacturers begs the question: Is the the NRA advocating for people who own guns? Or the lucrative companies that make them?
Highlighting this dynamic, the Center for Public Integrity's Peter Stone writes about MidwayUSA, a gun manufacturer that sells high-capacity magazines similar to the one used in the Arizona shooting spree, and its close ties to the NRA's lobbying wing.
In 1992, Midway developed a lucrative fundraising tactic to curry favor with NRA, known as "round up": Midway asks customers to round up the total of each order they place to the nearest dollar or higher, then donates the difference to the NRA's lobbying shop, known as the Institute for Legislative Action.
But the relationship between Midway and the NRA doesn't end there.
Brenda Potterfield, the wife of Midway's CEO, is the vice president of the NRA Foundation's board of trustees.
A number of other gun manufacturers have adopted the technique, reports Stone. Together with Midway, they've funneled $7.5 million to the NRA, $5.7 million of that coming just from MidwayUSA. As Stone reports:
Further, some of these vendors of high-capacity magazines also boast executives who are board members of the NRA.
Ronnie Barrett, the CEO of Tennessee-based Barrett Firearms Manufacturing, which makes a military-style rifle sold with high-capacity magazines, was elected to the NRA board in 2009. And Pete Brownell, who runs Iowa-based Brownells Inc., which also makes high-capacity magazines, joined the NRA board in 2010.
The strong financial and corporate ties to the NRA underscore how the gun rights goliath has become increasingly intertwined with some of the nation’s leading accessory vendors that sell high-capacity magazines.
http://motherjones.com/mojo/2011/01/nra-advocates-midway-gun-lobby-second-amendment
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When you say "the vpc is simply telling falsehoods" with no supporting facts, do you think that's a credible debating tactic?
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¯¯¯̿̿¯̿̿’̿̿̿̿̿̿̿’̿̿’̿̿;811889 said:If you stand up for the second amendment, the NRA will stand up for you—that's what the gun rights juggernaut claims, at least.
But, increasingly, the lobby's incestuous relationship with the gun manufacturers begs the question: Is the the NRA advocating for people who own guns? Or the lucrative companies that make them?
Highlighting this dynamic, the Center for Public Integrity's Peter Stone writes about MidwayUSA, a gun manufacturer that sells high-capacity magazines similar to the one used in the Arizona shooting spree, and its close ties to the NRA's lobbying wing.
In 1992, Midway developed a lucrative fundraising tactic to curry favor with NRA, known as "round up": Midway asks customers to round up the total of each order they place to the nearest dollar or higher, then donates the difference to the NRA's lobbying shop, known as the Institute for Legislative Action.
But the relationship between Midway and the NRA doesn't end there.
Brenda Potterfield, the wife of Midway's CEO, is the vice president of the NRA Foundation's board of trustees.
A number of other gun manufacturers have adopted the technique, reports Stone. Together with Midway, they've funneled $7.5 million to the NRA, $5.7 million of that coming just from MidwayUSA. As Stone reports:
Further, some of these vendors of high-capacity magazines also boast executives who are board members of the NRA.
Ronnie Barrett, the CEO of Tennessee-based Barrett Firearms Manufacturing, which makes a military-style rifle sold with high-capacity magazines, was elected to the NRA board in 2009. And Pete Brownell, who runs Iowa-based Brownells Inc., which also makes high-capacity magazines, joined the NRA board in 2010.
The strong financial and corporate ties to the NRA underscore how the gun rights goliath has become increasingly intertwined with some of the nation’s leading accessory vendors that sell high-capacity magazines.
http://motherjones.com/mojo/2011/01/nra-advocates-midway-gun-lobby-second-amendment
So the firearms industry is active in the politics of the 2nd Amendment protection too. This means what?
You have shown that the firearms industry donates to the NRA. That is hardly a surprise and does not mean the NRA lobbies for them, as I have already explained. You have shown that the entire firearm world is interconnected. Again, it is meaningless.
If a group lobbies for farmers, don't you think businesses all over the cattle industry would see that lobby group as an ally?
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¯¯¯̿̿¯̿̿’̿̿̿̿̿̿̿’̿̿’̿̿;811889 said:
The "high cap magazines" is a big issue for you? Have you seen any actual evidence that a ban on these would help lower crime rates?
And you are aware, I hope, that the high capacity magazine was how Loughner was stopped?
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Now that I see it actually written and stated that way.....:lol: