Many fewer U.S. gun owners

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King of Wisdom said:
I wouldn't say mandatory, but I like the idea of it as an option.
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The problem is, if not mandatory, the very children who lack the opportunity to observe adults using fire arms, those whose parents oppose fire arms, would have no other way to familiarize themselves with safety issues as the parents would almost certainly deny the child taking the option.

Perhaps schools could work hand in hand with NRA programs. http://www.nrahq.org/youth/
 
apple0154 said:
The problem is, if not mandatory, the very children who lack the opportunity to observe adults using fire arms, those whose parents oppose fire arms, would have no other way to familiarize themselves with safety issues as the parents would almost certainly deny the child taking the option.

Perhaps schools could work hand in hand with NRA programs. http://www.nrahq.org/youth/
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then lay the blame where it should be, right square on the parents. after that, children can learn shooting sports safety from other qualified individuals.
 
apple0154 said:
The problem is, if not mandatory, the very children who lack the opportunity to observe adults using fire arms, those whose parents oppose fire arms, would have no other way to familiarize themselves with safety issues as the parents would almost certainly deny the child taking the option.

Perhaps schools could work hand in hand with NRA programs. http://www.nrahq.org/youth/
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I'm not big on mandatory anything, even with something as near and dear to me as guns.
 
SmarterThanYou said:
then lay the blame where it should be, right square on the parents. after that, children can learn shooting sports safety from other qualified individuals.
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That's exactly where I lay the blame. That's why the necessity for mandatory teaching of fire arm safety. In a society where everyone is entitled to own a gun without having any knowledge of them it only makes sense the government provide the necessary knowledge.
 
apple0154 said:
The problem is, if not mandatory, the very children who lack the opportunity to observe adults using fire arms, those whose parents oppose fire arms, would have no other way to familiarize themselves with safety issues as the parents would almost certainly deny the child taking the option.

Perhaps schools could work hand in hand with NRA programs. http://www.nrahq.org/youth/
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The NRA used to do that. They were gradually pushed farther and farther out of it. The NRA started as a training organization. Its what they have done since they were first formed.

Can you imagine the uproar if a high school administration had the NRA come in for a talk, to say nothing of the nightmare of "training kids to shoot".
 
WinterBorn said:
The NRA used to do that. They were gradually pushed farther and farther out of it. The NRA started as a training organization. Its what they have done since they were first formed.

Can you imagine the uproar if a high school administration had the NRA come in for a talk, to say nothing of the nightmare of "training kids to shoot".
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The NRA isn't a lobbying group for the firearms industry by any stretch of the imagination, is it?
 
¯¯¯̿̿¯̿̿’̿̿̿̿̿̿̿’̿̿’̿̿;811580 said:
The NRA isn't a lobbying group for the firearms industry by any stretch of the imagination, is it?
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The NRA is a lobbying group for shooter and hunters. The NRA is a lobbying group that works tirelessly to protect our 2 Amendment rights.

I never said anything different. What I posted discussed the original goal and the reason the NRA was founded.
 
apple0154 said:
That's exactly where I lay the blame. That's why the necessity for mandatory teaching of fire arm safety. In a society where everyone is entitled to own a gun without having any knowledge of them it only makes sense the government provide the necessary knowledge.
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absolutely not. a parents sole responsibility is to raise their children with the knowledge and skillsets to survive in the modern world. If they fail to do that, then their children don't survive. it's the way of the world. we should already see where countries go that mandates the government teaching the people.
 
¯¯¯̿̿¯̿̿’̿̿̿̿̿̿̿’̿̿’̿̿;811580 said:
The NRA isn't a lobbying group for the firearms industry by any stretch of the imagination, is it?
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the NRA is not a lobbying group for the firearms industry. they are 4 million plus american members. If you want to make a firearms lobbying group the boogey man, point your fingers at the national shooting sports foundation. They are direct beneficiaries of the many firearms manufacturers.
 
¯¯¯̿̿¯̿̿’̿̿̿̿̿̿̿’̿̿’̿̿;811644 said:
Really?

http://www.vpc.org/studies/bloodmoney.pdf
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Well duh. Lets see, the NRA works hard to protect our right to bear arms. There are 4 million members. The NRA spends a LOT of money in advertising, hosting events, sponsoring events, opening doors to political powers, and other expenses. All those people spend money on guns and gun gear.

Gun manufacturers donate to the single biggest organization dedicated to making sure their customers have the right to participate in these sports and to defend themselves. You call it "bloodmoney" or claim that the NRA is lobbying on behalf of the firearms industry, but you ignore the facts. The fact is that the NRA lobbies for gun owners. The fact that the firearms industry sees that as beneficial to their continued existence is because the NRA is protecting their entire customer base.
 
WinterBorn said:
Well duh. Lets see, the NRA works hard to protect our right to bear arms. There are 4 million members. The NRA spends a LOT of money in advertising, hosting events, sponsoring events, opening doors to political powers, and other expenses. All those people spend money on guns and gun gear.

Gun manufacturers donate to the single biggest organization dedicated to making sure their customers have the right to participate in these sports and to defend themselves. You call it "bloodmoney" or claim that the NRA is lobbying on behalf of the firearms industry, but you ignore the facts. The fact is that the NRA lobbies for gun owners. The fact that the firearms industry sees that as beneficial to their continued existence is because the NRA is protecting their entire customer base.
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Which part of that proves the NRA doesn't lobby for firearms manufacturers?
 
¯¯¯̿̿¯̿̿’̿̿̿̿̿̿̿’̿̿’̿̿;811658 said:
Which part of that proves the NRA doesn't lobby for firearms manufacturers?
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A simple look at what they have tried to do tells it all. They don't provide training for the firearms industry. They don't fight for teh industry's right to sell firearms.

They lobby for the preservation of the 2nd Amendment.
 
WinterBorn said:
A simple look at what they have tried to do tells it all. They don't provide training for the firearms industry. They don't fight for teh industry's right to sell firearms.

They lobby for the preservation of the 2nd Amendment.
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How so?

Are you claiming that shareholders and pragmatic businesspeople contribute to a lobbying organization out of principle alone?
 
¯¯¯̿̿¯̿̿’̿̿̿̿̿̿̿’̿̿’̿̿;811669 said:
How so?

Are you claiming that shareholders and pragmatic businesspeople contribute to a lobbying organization out of principle alone?
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Surely you are not this dense?

The 2nd Amendment gives us, the citizens, the right to bear arms. Do you think that is good or bad for the firearms industry?
 
WinterBorn said:
Surely you are not this dense?

The 2nd Amendment gives us, the citizens, the right to bear arms. Do you think that is good or bad for the firearms industry?
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You are the one claiming that the firearms industry donates to the NRA altruistically, aren't you?
 
¯¯¯̿̿¯̿̿’̿̿̿̿̿̿̿’̿̿’̿̿;811672 said:
You are the one claiming that the firearms industry donates to the NRA altruistically, aren't you?
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Is that what I said? Please show me where I said that.
 
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