Low-Wage Jobs Dominate Employment Recovery

Sardonic said:
So, what should w Force lower prices? If you can't increase wages, then what is your fix for helping people out of poverty? People don't want to increase money for education because they claim our school system is broken, education brings people out of poverty. Should we ban automation? Fix the infastructure?

People who criticize never seem to offer solutions.

What are your fixes, more tanks?
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A good start would be to slash government spending to eliminate much of the waste. Then cut taxes across the board as well as end eliminate the corporate tax. Then raise the EITC and CTC. All of those things would make a workers dollar go farther without hurting businesses. There's plenty more but it's a good beginning
 
christiefan915 said:
Can you show any long-term studies with graphs or charts that show minimum wage hikes are job killers? For instance the MW was raised during Clinton's presidency yet it was a period of economic growth. How many jobs were lost or gained during other hikes?

As far as I'm concerned it's not about ideology but actual facts and numbers. There are arguments on both sides of the issue but it's not as cut and dried as conservatives like to think.
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https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...cAjXKKegEyNVHDo9g&sig2=S8Zxoby4tCR9zePimHL1mQ

There's one that studied the most recent wage hike.

Do you run a business that employs low wage earners or part time or seasonal positions? Are you responsible for making the operating budget and setting wages? I don't see how you could and not feel the real impact that a $3.00 per hour increase would have on the business. It costs the employer considerably more than that when it's all said and done.
 
Why not compensate unemployed labor with unemployment compensation that clears our poverty guidelines to solve that form of poverty in our republic. Such a public policy could be as simple as our current regime of minimum wage laws is now, but subscribe more to Individual Liberty under our form of Capitalism with its Institution of money based markets. We could lower our tax burden through simplification.
 
putsometrebleinit said:
A good start would be to slash government spending to eliminate much of the waste. Then cut taxes across the board as well as end eliminate the corporate tax. Then raise the EITC and CTC. All of those things would make a workers dollar go farther without hurting businesses. There's plenty more but it's a good beginning
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What's the waste that you want to eliminate?
 
Bonestorm said:
What's the waste that you want to eliminate?
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You could start with the frivolous stuff like 5.4 million dollars worth of crystal glassware and booze for the state department. I'm sure the people of Arlington could have done without that million dollar bus stop and the army could have done without that 300 million dollar blimp. Those are just three examples. And while they're just a drop in a bucket, they are examples of what is fundamentally wrong with our government in regards to spending. Broke people don't get to spend like that for long and there is no reason why our government should either.
 
danielpalos said:
How does reducing government spending create more jobs?
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By keeping money in consumers pockets and in private employers. Consumers can then spend more, private companies can then invest and hire more people to keep up with demand to make more stuff.
 
putsometrebleinit said:
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...cAjXKKegEyNVHDo9g&sig2=S8Zxoby4tCR9zePimHL1mQ

There's one that studied the most recent wage hike.

Do you run a business that employs low wage earners or part time or seasonal positions? Are you responsible for making the operating budget and setting wages? I don't see how you could and not feel the real impact that a $3.00 per hour increase would have on the business. It costs the employer considerably more than that when it's all said and done.
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Re: your link, I'm not sure that a wage hike that took place during the recession is the most accurate indicator.

As to the rest of your comments, there's no one-size-fits-all answer to them. How big is the business, how many employees, annual earnings, profit/loss etc. A small business with a few employees just trying to stay afloat will be affected by an increase, sure. A business like McDonald's or Wal-Mart, not so much. As a matter of fact Wal-Mart's recently been looking at supporting an increase in the MW. People working for minimum wage are going to put any increase right back into the economy and that's a good thing. Click on this chart of MW increases, they've taken place in good times and bad and the economy still continued to grow. According to one source the economy has grown nearly 60 percent in the past 20 years, and we've had five MW increases in that time.
 
putsometrebleinit said:
You could start with the frivolous stuff like 5.4 million dollars worth of crystal glassware and booze for the state department. I'm sure the people of Arlington could have done without that million dollar bus stop and the army could have done without that 300 million dollar blimp. Those are just three examples. And while they're just a drop in a bucket, they are examples of what is fundamentally wrong with our government in regards to spending. Broke people don't get to spend like that for long and there is no reason why our government should either.
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How about major cuts to the military and to foreign aid? The money for stemware is chump change compared to the billions we spend on just those two things.

Funny you mention stemware for $5 mil yet in the past ten years we spent $750 mil on the most expensive embassy in the world, our digs in Baghdad. Our tax dollars at work.
 
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Right said:
By keeping money in consumers pockets and in private employers. Consumers can then spend more, private companies can then invest and hire more people to keep up with demand to make more stuff.
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You say that, but doesn't wealth concentration now, do virtually nothing for the labor market? I believe simply ending the capital gains distinction whenever we don't have full employment would do more.
 
putsometrebleinit said:
You could start with the frivolous stuff like 5.4 million dollars worth of crystal glassware and booze for the state department. I'm sure the people of Arlington could have done without that million dollar bus stop and the army could have done without that 300 million dollar blimp. Those are just three examples. And while they're just a drop in a bucket, they are examples of what is fundamentally wrong with our government in regards to spending. Broke people don't get to spend like that for long and there is no reason why our government should either.
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This can't be real.
 
christiefan915 said:
How about major cuts to the military and to foreign aid? The money for stemware is chump change compared to the billions we spend on just those two things.

Funny you mention stemware for $5 mil yet in the past ten years we spent $750 mil on the most expensive embassy in the world, our digs in Baghdad. Our tax dollars at work.
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I don't know if you comprehended the point I was trying to make, or if you ignored it because you were too giddy to insert your leftist spin, because I acknowledged that those examples were small potatoes comparatively. It was meant to quickly offer some nonpartisan examples of absurd spending in our government. But if you want to play politics then allow me to offer a conservative retort. Rather than cut spending for the military let's repeal the ACA and all the abhorrent spending that goes with it and then move on down the line and bulldoze the department of education so that school systems don't have to grovel at the feet of the Federal Government for earmarked and strings attached dollars. Happy now?
 
christiefan915 said:
Re: your link, I'm not sure that a wage hike that took place during the recession is the most accurate indicator.

As to the rest of your comments, there's no one-size-fits-all answer to them. How big is the business, how many employees, annual earnings, profit/loss etc. A small business with a few employees just trying to stay afloat will be affected by an increase, sure. A business like McDonald's or Wal-Mart, not so much. As a matter of fact Wal-Mart's recently been looking at supporting an increase in the MW. People working for minimum wage are going to put any increase right back into the economy and that's a good thing. Click on this chart of MW increases, they've taken place in good times and bad and the economy still continued to grow. According to one source the economy has grown nearly 60 percent in the past 20 years, and we've had five MW increases in that time.
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You can't discredit the results just because it doesn't fit your hypothesis.

And did you actually read my first post in this thread where I made the same points you just did in regards to small businesses versus Walmart and the fact that there is not a one size fits all answer or did you immediately discredit it because it came from a conservative view point?
 
danielpalos said:
You say that, but doesn't wealth concentration now, do virtually nothing for the labor market? I believe simply ending the capital gains distinction whenever we don't have full employment would do more.
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People concentrate wealth (save) when the economy is unstable. GovCo borrowing to spend and record deficit/ GDP do that. Cut government spending and confidence will increase and people will spend more.
 
putsometrebleinit said:
I don't know if you comprehended the point I was trying to make, or if you ignored it because you were too giddy to insert your leftist spin, because I acknowledged that those examples were small potatoes comparatively. It was meant to quickly offer some nonpartisan examples of absurd spending in our government. But if you want to play politics then allow me to offer a conservative retort. Rather than cut spending for the military let's repeal the ACA and all the abhorrent spending that goes with it and then move on down the line and bulldoze the department of education so that school systems don't have to grovel at the feet of the Federal Government for earmarked and strings attached dollars. Happy now?
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Non-partisan, really? All of your examples occurred during the Obama administration. I never denied govt. spends frivolously, always has, always will. I do notice the conservative selectivity about what to cut or what to ignore. To date bush's immoral war is costing us over $1 trillion yet that fact has gone down the conservative memory hole. What about the borrowing, putting our country's economy in the hands of foreign lenders? What about your hero cheney and his "deficits don't matter"? Where are all the oil revenues that were supposed to cover war costs?

I think it's hilarious that you bring up the ACA yet ignore the massive ongoing financial drain from the bush years, so please don't try to pretend you're non-partisan.
 
putsometrebleinit said:
You can't discredit the results just because it doesn't fit your hypothesis.

And did you actually read my first post in this thread where I made the same points you just did in regards to small businesses versus Walmart and the fact that there is not a one size fits all answer or did you immediately discredit it because it came from a conservative view point?
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Yes, I read all of your posts on this thread and all I see is a lot of vague generalizations and precious little fact. What can you show to prove that there has been a major negative hit on the economy during all the years of MW increases? I suspect you may find some correlation during some periods, but overall, zero impact just as the chart showed.

Let's see some real numbers to back up your statements, if indeed any such numbers exist.How many people lost jobs, how many owners went out of business, how many jobs were killed.

5. No kidding. Raising the minimum wage isn't going to do anything but raise the bar for poverty, put people out of jobs, and business owners out of business.

18. The job loss reality is that an almost three dollar hike in the minimum wage will kill jobs.
 
Right said:
People concentrate wealth (save) when the economy is unstable. GovCo borrowing to spend and record deficit/ GDP do that. Cut government spending and confidence will increase and people will spend more.
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Can you cite any previous public policies which did what you claim?
 
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