Looks like Brexit unlikely!

Cypress said:
The American voters elected Hillary Clinton with a majority of the votes, and yet you celebrated government by the minority and danced with glee that the Republican Party was rewarded with a stranglehold on the federal government even when most voters voted against them.
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We don’t vote our presidents in by popular vote we use electoral college otherwise the 3 major cities in the country would decide all presidential elections so your point is invalid


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Tranquillus in Exile said:
You want Northern Ireland to join the Irish Republic?
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No. You misread. Try rereading. I clearly indicated that I'd want both to join a Celtic Confederation, not that I'd want one to join the other.

As for your other thought - "Most Brits want to remain in the EU" - please cite a scrap of evidence for that, then we can discuss it.
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Check the thread. I provided a list of polls showing that. Were you unaware of them?
 
Havana Moon said:
Would you consider the former governor of the Bank of England Mervyn King to be one of those uneducated Brexiteers....
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He appears to be one of the educated Brexiteers. Just because the lion's share of the pro-Brexit crowd are badly under-educated, and they're much less educated on average than remain voters, doesn't mean they're ALL badly educated.
 
StoneByStone said:
So why did they vote to leave?
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Those who wanted to stay were complacent and turned out in lower numbers than those who wanted to leave. It's a case of the best lacking all conviction while the worst are full of a passionate intensity. Fortunately, since the vote, a significant number of the imbeciles who supported exiting have realized that was an error, so if another vote were held today, the result would go the opposite way, even with the same disproportionate turnout rates.

The elites want to stay because the elites are Globalist Capitalists
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The political elite -- the majority in Parliament -- has refused to have another vote, so objectively they're in favor of locking in the decision to leave.
 
Tranquillus in Exile said:
You misspelled Yeats.
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Yes I did. That's something I don't think I've ever done before. I had read something last week about Andrea Yates, and I suppose that stuck in my mind.

The actual content, however, is a different matter. The 'best', as you call them, have most of the money and influence in Britain, and for the past three years they've been USING IT to scare, vilify and thwart what you call the 'worst' (i.e. the majority of people).
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The smarter people have been trying to prevent an error that will hurt the majority -- an error that was sold based on a pack of lies. Unfortunately, they're largely talking past the dummies, since they are offering arguments based on facts and reason, and the dummies are largely driven by xenophobic fear, which is inherently irrational.

Don't you have the tiniest suspicion that you're being fed BS propaganda?
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Constantly. You can't come onto this site these days without some mouth-breathing halfwit offering up BS pro-Brexit propaganda. Fortunately, it has no impact on me.
 
Tranquillus in Exile said:
You are kidding with this, right? The political elite is mindlessly committed to leaving? Most of Parliament is committed - mindlessly or not - to staying, or as close as they can get to it, by hook or by crook.
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Then why won't they allow another referendum? The polls show a wide margin in favor of staying at this point.

Otherwise, why the hell do you think they haven't left by now?
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Because the Brexiteers want an impossibility. They want to exit without any of the difficulties that will come with it. They want all the advantages for the UK of being in the EU, without providing any reciprocal benefits to others. They want the Irish border issue to magically resolve itself. Their leaders sold them a fairy tale, and now the leaders are choking on the problem of making that fairy tale come true. And the rest of the world is having a good laugh at their expense.
 
Oneuli said:
Then why won't they allow another referendum? The polls show a wide margin in favor of staying at this point.



Because the Brexiteers want an impossibility. They want to exit without any of the difficulties that will come with it. They want all the advantages for the UK of being in the EU, without providing any reciprocal benefits to others. They want the Irish border issue to magically resolve itself. Their leaders sold them a fairy tale, and now the leaders are choking on the problem of making that fairy tale come true. And the rest of the world is having a good laugh at their expense.
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They had a vote on a second referendum last night ffs!!
 
Havana Moon said:
They had a vote on a second referendum last night ffs!!
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They need to continue voting on a Brexit till they get it ‘right’, then they can stop voting on it lol.

To me, it’s astounding that there are people who would actually vote *for* ceding government power to an entity outside of their own borders.

At some point this business isn’t going to end well and I have a feeling the Yellow Vest rebellion in France is just the start of it.
 
Darth Beto Omar said:
They need to continue voting on a Brexit till they get it ‘right’, then they can stop voting on it lol.

To me, it’s astounding that there are people who would actually vote *for* ceding government power to an entity outside of their own borders.

At some point this business isn’t going to end well and I have a feeling the Yellow Vest rebellion in France is just the start of it.
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If you want to know why we are in the state of disarray, then read Richard Littlejohn on the subject.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/...t-talents-heal-divisions-Call-Mary-Berry.html
 
Darth Beto Omar said:
They need to continue voting on a Brexit till they get it ‘right’, then they can stop voting on it lol.

To me, it’s astounding that there are people who would actually vote *for* ceding government power to an entity outside of their own borders.

At some point this business isn’t going to end well and I have a feeling the Yellow Vest rebellion in France is just the start of it.
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It's the same as all these weird buggers who prefer to eat rather than starve to death independently. Try an English tory government sometime, kid. It's a laugh a line, as the fish said!
 
Darth Beto Omar said:
I don’t pretend to be well-versed in U.K. politics but I do know that ceding power to an outside entity [Brussels in this instance] is a recipe for eventual rebellion.

This country fought a war over it.
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Being an equal part of a Federation is a recipe for eventual rebellion? I thought you tried that over slavery and now accept the Union? Off again are you? Is Fort Sumpter still there?
 
iolo said:
Being an equal part of a Federation is a recipe for eventual rebellion? I thought you tried that over slavery and now accept the Union? Off again are you? Is Fort Sumpter still there?
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Learn your history lol.

Democrats tried that over slavery. Lincoln was a republican as am I.
 
Cypress said:
You just suggested that the majority will expressed by vote is sacred and worthy of utmost respect.

So, unless you want to walk it back, you must think that there is something fundamentally wrong with Republicans continuously being awarded control of the government against the will of the majority of the voters.

There is no freaking way the framers of the constitution intended a system or anticipated a situation where our federal government was a government of the minority of the voters, nor that one party would rountinely be given a stranglehold on the government while routinely losing the popular vote. .
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Why Was the Electoral College Created?

The electoral college was created as a compromise between those at the Constitutional Convention who wanted the U.S. president elected by popular vote and those who wanted Congress to select the president. Instead, electors corresponding to the number of representatives each state had in Congress would elect the president.
Objections to a popular vote mainly concerned the difficulty of transmission of information about the candidates to voters throughout the country, which would lead voters in larger states to prefer local politicians with which they were familiar. Voting by Congress alone would potentially upset the governmental balance of power and lead to corruption and political bargaining. A group called the Committee of Eleven proposed the compromise of the Electoral College. Each state would have a total number of electors corresponding to its two senators and the amount of its members in the House of Representatives, which is based on the state's population. Individual state legislatures would decide on how the electors were chosen, assuaging the fear of many states of a too-powerful federal government. To maintain balance in the various branches of the federal government, members of Congress and government employees were not allowed to be electors. The electors would meet in their home states, further forestalling federal intervention.
The Constitutional Convention agreed upon the compromise, and the Electoral College system was written into Article II, Section 1 of the Constitution.
 
iolo said:
Being an equal part of a Federation is a recipe for eventual rebellion? I thought you tried that over slavery and now accept the Union? Off again are you? Is Fort Sumpter still there?
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Iolo and his fellow Remoaners complain about England controlling the UK, yet has no such qualms about the EU aka the Fourth Reich!
 
Darth Beto Omar said:
I don’t pretend to be well-versed in U.K. politics but I do know that ceding power to an outside entity [Brussels in this instance] is a recipe for eventual rebellion.

This country fought a war over it.
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The Common Market was a great idea but the EU control freaks want a United States of Europe.
 
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