Long distance road trips and EVs

[Althea]

I want what works. EV's are not some panacea. Sure, they and vehicles running on hydraulics can be useful in some settings, but they aren't for everyone. The problem with EV's is where to get the electricity. The answer to that, as to the whole "Green" issue on electrical power is to abandon solar and wind and go to nuclear with natural gas as a backup for peaking loads.

That works, and would work wonderfully at a tiny fraction of the cost of sunshine and whirligigs. But the Left hates nuclear with a passion that goes to massively lying about it.

See that picture? That is often repeated on Leftist Green sites like this one

https://towardfreedom.org/story/admin/fukushima-at-ten-aftershocks-lies-and-failed-decontamination/

As being at the Fukushima nuclear plant. That is a completely unrelated chemical fire at a plant nowhere near Fukushima. It is an blatant, outright, lie! Yet, the radical Leftist Greentards still put it up as being the Fukushima nuclear plant even after being discredited. Nuclear is safe, clean, and would solve the CO2 problem at a tiny fraction of the cost of solar and wind.

Use nuclear for krypto mining. Solar works on a small scale for a homeowner with an E.V, as well as in cities for public transportation.

New nuclear isn't as bad as original nuclear, but the bugs still haven't been worked out. It will take billions in Fed. money to build new nuke plants once the technology is perfected.

 

[Althea]

Quite an insult. My cars computer tells me how much MPG I get from electric and gas. It is generally in the 100 range. Why would I not tell the truth? You make no sense.

The shithead you responded to is on my ignore list. Thankfully, I don't have to read his nonsense unless someone quotes him.

Go follow the thread and you'll see that I was commenting on something you replied to.

 

[AProudLefty]

Correct me if I am wrong but wouldn't a hybrid stop one time on the way from WV to Florida?

 

[RB 60]

What sources do you seek out? The pulling capacity of electric cars is very high. Are you suggesting they can not move if they have 2 passengers? My electric, and my sons Bolt work very well and we are in Michigan.
MythBusters automotive got the exact same usage in and electric with the air conditioning on or off.
The difference is I have real-life experience in having an EV. Like I said, Volt had the highest customer satisfaction levels of any car. https://www.ford.com/powertrains/battery-electric-vehicles/

How far can your Volt pull an 80,000 lb. loaded truck with the heater and air brake pump running?

 

[Celticguy]

Well yeah, long distance trips on highways to be specific. So why complain about people buying EVs?

Nordberg's suggestion was spot on. Best of both worlds.

i dont think i complain about people buying them, rather the notion that they replace ICEs.
i just dont see them as a % of the market.

 

[Into the Night]

saw a video where they did actual tests with a Tesla with various load scenarios. Just a bike rack (with bikes) made a pretty dramatic difference. Not as much as running the heater but a lot.

I see they are moving to using heat pumps for heat and cool but that still wont help in cold environments.

They can make sense for some climates and purposes but its limited.

It takes energy to run the heat pump.

 

[Into the Night]

The moron is lying. Hybrids get about 50 mpg under the right conditions.

Which is to say ideal conditions, including mostly commuting.

Conditions are not always ideal. Driving cross country, they get worse gas mileage than the same sized car with a simple gas engine.

 

[Into the Night]

Do you know anyone who would attempt to fly to Europe in a helicopter? Of course you don't, because they aren't meant for that.

The range of some helicopters is about 1200 miles. That can easily travel from the States to Europe with stops in Greenland and Iceland.

EVs are perfect for fleets in cities, and buses.

Nope. Buses must operate continuously. They won't make it to recharge without going out of service for hours.

Imagine if every city switched to EVs that could be charged in a secure location at night.

Imagine a dead city.

They are not meant for mountainous areas or for long distance driving.

So you admit that EVs are useless except possibly as a commuter vehicle only. Kinda costly.

 

[Nordberg]

Solar panels and EVs, a marriage made in environmental heaven. https://earth911.com/eco-tech/solar-panels-and-electric-vehicles-a-match-made-in-heaven/ The problem is rightys think so short term. The future electric and alternative energy power.

 

[Into the Night]

You didn't read my post

He did. He made a great argument as well. Apartment complexes don't have chargers, unless you pay higher rent for them. Frankly, I don't know any apartment complexes capable of those current requirements if everyone was trying to charge their electric car. Do you T.A. Gardner?

 

[Into the Night]

Fleets? Sure. But that's a limited use really. Even those would have limits depending on how many hours they were expected to run per day.

Which is why it won't work for a bus.

 

[Into the Night]

Garages can put solar panels on the roof. Same for taxis and bus garages. Working out the kinks for high use vehicles might be an initial challenge, but the benefits are worth the work. The noxious fume reduction alone would pay dividends.

If there is a will to accomplish it, there is a way. Every application that can be used successfully, should be.

Piddle power won't charge your car in anything less than many hours. Won't work for buses. Taxis are not owned by the city. It won't work for them either.
What noxious fumes?

 

[Into the Night]

What sources do you seek out? The pulling capacity of electric cars is very high.

No. The Tesla Model 3, for example, can't even pull an empty light utility trailer safely. Pulling a trailer or adding cargo reduces range.

Are you suggesting they can not move if they have 2 passengers? My electric, and my sons Bolt work very well and we are in Michigan.

With reduced range.

MythBusters automotive got the exact same usage in and electric with the air conditioning on or off.

Not possible. You can't create energy out of nothing.

The difference is I have real-life experience in having an EV. Like I said, Volt had the highest customer satisfaction levels of any car. https://www.ford.com/powertrains/battery-electric-vehicles/

The Volt is a Chevy. There are a LOT more satisfied Honda owners out there than Volt owners. (Note those are gasoline cars)

 

[Into the Night]

You can find excuses not to do something, or you can find ways to take advantage of every form of energy. Even if it's supplemental. Charging large banks of batteries to be used for charging ports later, is an excellent way to aid in the charging process.

It will take too long. While they are charging, you cannot use that power for anything else.

 

[Into the Night]

I want what works. EV's are not some panacea. Sure, they and vehicles running on hydraulics can be useful in some settings, but they aren't for everyone. The problem with EV's is where to get the electricity. The answer to that, as to the whole "Green" issue on electrical power is to abandon solar and wind and go to nuclear with natural gas as a backup for peaking loads.

That works, and would work wonderfully at a tiny fraction of the cost of sunshine and whirligigs. But the Left hates nuclear with a passion that goes to massively lying about it.

See that picture? That is often repeated on Leftist Green sites like this one

https://towardfreedom.org/story/admin/fukushima-at-ten-aftershocks-lies-and-failed-decontamination/

As being at the Fukushima nuclear plant. That is a completely unrelated chemical fire at a plant nowhere near Fukushima. It is an blatant, outright, lie! Yet, the radical Leftist Greentards still put it up as being the Fukushima nuclear plant even after being discredited. Nuclear is safe, clean, and would solve the CO2 problem at a tiny fraction of the cost of solar and wind.

CO2 is not a problem.

 

[Into the Night]

Quite an insult. My cars computer tells me how much MPG I get from electric and gas. It is generally in the 100 range. Why would I not tell the truth? You make no sense.

You aren't driving it cross country, obviously.

 

[Into the Night]

Use nuclear for krypto mining.

It's used for a lot more than that!

Solar works on a small scale for a homeowner with an E.V, as well as in cities for public transportation.

You've already admitted that it doesn't.

New nuclear isn't as bad as original nuclear, but the bugs still haven't been worked out.

What bugs?

It will take billions in Fed. money to build new nuke plants once the technology is perfected.

What Fed money?

 

[Into the Night]

How far can your Volt pull an 80,000 lb. loaded truck with the heater and air brake pump running?

It can't.

 

[Into the Night]

i dont think i complain about people buying them, rather the notion that they replace ICEs.
i just dont see them as a % of the market.

You can already see just by looking what's on the road. Those are the cars people are buying and using. Not a lot of electric cars.

 

[Nordberg]

You aren't driving it cross country, obviously.

I can. But the Volt was made at 50-mile range because studiers showed 85 percent of Americans never drive more daily. So todays with 300 miles or more is nearly overkill. Because Americans use their cars sometimes on trips, the manufacturers recognized this is a problem before they started manufacturing. This is not a revelation of yours. That is why they started installing charging stations on interstates. It is also why Biden's bill includes thousands of level 3 chargers.
The Volt is fine for driving cross country. My son has a Volt and a Bolt. They drive the Bolt everywhere. My son has a job that sometimes takes him to another state, That is when he uses the Volt. Everytime he charges, he get 50 miles of electric before it goes to ICE. He does not take the Bolt to anoher state because many backwoods states have a lot fewer charging stations,.