Liberals Ideas for Cutting the Deficit...

Also, I didn't say government jobs, I said they promised jobs! Cutting jobs will create loss of jobs in the private sector. This does cause genuine trickle down!
 
Dixie said:
Good, it sounds like you've come a long way to being conservative! I was jut going to mention, Gore's "Reinventing Government" approach, sounds like a really great idea... I bet we could probably find oh... about $100 billion in things that are a waste, which can be cut right away....oh wait, that's exactly what Boehner and Bachmann want to do!

With regard for cuts in military spending, I am not opposed to sensible cuts across the board. I think our military budget is full of unnecessary redundancy, and bloated bureaucratic inefficiency, so I believe very much in the "Al Gore" approach here, let's analyze what we can cut in terms of waste. The only thing we need to all keep in mind, when it comes to talk of MAJOR cuts in military spending, that always means bases will close. This will turn many-a-middle-class town into Deadwood... nothing but ghost towns. This will mean the closing of many industries like Hughes Corporation in LaGrange, GA. or Martin-Marietta in Marietta, GA. Layoffs, people becoming unemployed as a result of the cuts in military spending. There is an entire support structure in the private sector, which is fueled by the military, and certainly has a dramatic economic impact on our nation as a whole.
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I think we have about 400 too many bases overseas. This is the first place I would like us to "cut back" We don't need to close bases here, just in Japan, Germany, Ubekistan, etc! Bring the soldiers home to secure our borders! No more military security for international corporations, let them hire their own security.
 
Rana said:
Teachers produce educated citizenry which greatly benefits our country.
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I don't agree Rana.

How many kids leaving high school can pass this 1895 8th grade test.

What it took to get an 8th grade education in 1895....
Remember when grandparents and great-grandparents stated that they only had an 8th grade education? Well, check this out. Could any of us have passed the 8th grade in 1895?
This is the eighth-grade final exam from 1895 in Salina , Kansas , USA ... It was taken from the original document on file at the Smokey Valley Genealogical Society and Library in Salina , and reprinted by the Salina Journal.


8th Grade Final Exam: Salina , KS - 1895
Grammar (Time, one hour)
1. Give nine rules for the use of capital letters
2. Name the parts of speech and define those that have no modifications.
3. Define verse, stanza and paragraph
4. What are the principal parts of a verb? Give principal parts of 'lie,''play,' and 'run'
5. Define case; illustrate each case.
6 What is punctuation? Give rules for principal marks of punctuation.
7 - 10. Write a composition of about 150 words and show therein that you understand the practical use of the rules of grammar.

Arithmetic (Time,1 hour 15 minutes)
1. Name and define the Fundamental Rules of Arithmetic.
2. A wagon box is 2 ft. Deep, 10 feet long, and 3 ft. Wide. How many bushels of wheat will it hold?
3. If a load of wheat weighs 3,942 lbs., what is it worth at 50cts/bushel, deducting 1,050 lbs. For tare?
4. District No 33 has a valuation of $35,000. What is the necessary levy to carry on a school seven months at $50 per month, and have $104 for incidentals?
5. Find the cost of 6,720 lbs. Coal at $6.00 per ton.
6. Find the interest of $512.60 for 8 months and 18 days at 7 percent.
7. What is the cost of 40 boards 12 inches wide and 16 ft.. Long at $20 per metre?
8. Find bank discount on $300 for 90 days (no grace) at 10 percent.
9. What is the cost of a square farm at $15 per acre, the distance of which is 640 rods?
10. Write a Bank Check, a Promissory Note, and a Receipt

U.S. History (Time, 45 minutes)
1 Give the epochs into which U.S. History is divided
2. Give an account of the discovery of America by Columbus
3. Relate the causes and results of the Revolutionary War.
4. Show the territorial growth of the United States
5. Tell what you can of the history of Kansas
6. Describe three of the most prominent battles of the Rebellion.
7. Who were the following: Morse, Whitney, Fulton , Bell , Lincoln , Penn, and Howe?
8. Name events connected with the following dates: 1607, 1620, 1800, 1849, 1865.

Orthography (Time, one hour)
[Do we even know what this is??]
1. What is meant by the following: alphabet, phonetic, orthography, etymology, syllabication
2.. What are elementary sounds? How classified?
3. What are the following, and give examples of each: trigraph, subvocals, diphthong, cognate letters, linguals
4.. Give four substitutes for caret 'u.' (HUH?)
5. Give two rules for spelling words with final 'e.' Name two exceptions under each rule.
6. Give two uses of silent letters in spelling. Illustrate each.
7. Define the following prefixes and use in connection with a word: bi, dis-mis, pre, semi, post, non, inter, mono, sup..
8. Mark diacritically and divide into syllables the following, and name the sign that indicates the sound: card, ball, mercy, sir, odd, cell, rise, blood, fare, last.
9. Use the following correctly in sentences: cite, site, sight, fane, fain, feign, vane , vain, vein, raze, raise, rays.
10. Write 10 words frequently mispronounced and indicate pronunciation by use of diacritical marks
and by syllabication.

Geography (Time, one hour)
1 What is climate? Upon what does climate depend?
2. How do you account for the extremes of climate in Kansas ?
3. Of what use are rivers? Of what use is the ocean?
4. Describe the mountains of North America
5.. Name and describe the following: Monrovia , Odessa , Denver , Manitoba , Hecla , Yukon , St. Helena, Juan Fernandez, Aspinwall and Orinoco
6. Name and locate the principal trade centers of the U.S. Name all the republics of Europe and give the capital of each.
8. Why is the Atlantic Coast colder than the Pacific in the same latitude?
9. Describe the process by which the water of the ocean returns to the sources of rivers..
10. Describe the movements of the earth. Give the inclination of the earth.
Notice that the exam took FIVE HOURS to complete.
Gives the saying 'he only had an 8th grade education' a whole new meaning, doesn't it?!

Also shows you how poor our education system has become and,
NO, I don't have the answers!
 
We want to start charging state and government workers for health care, why not military dependents? Give free care to the enlisted men and women, but not their families. We should also look at Congress and their employees and all the fat cat benefits they get. If teachers have to give back, then ALL government employees should give back! Correct?
 
Rana said:
I think we have about 400 too many bases overseas. This is the first place I would like us to "cut back" We don't need to close bases here, just in Japan, Germany, Ubekistan, etc! Bring the soldiers home to secure our borders! No more military security for international corporations, let them hire their own security.
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Damn, you're starting to sound like Pat Buchanan! :whoa:
 
Liberty said:
I don't agree Rana.

How many kids leaving high school can pass this 1895 8th grade test.

What it took to get an 8th grade education in 1895....
Remember when grandparents and great-grandparents stated that they only had an 8th grade education? Well, check this out. Could any of us have passed the 8th grade in 1895?
This is the eighth-grade final exam from 1895 in Salina , Kansas , USA ... It was taken from the original document on file at the Smokey Valley Genealogical Society and Library in Salina , and reprinted by the Salina Journal.


8th Grade Final Exam: Salina , KS - 1895
Grammar (Time, one hour)
1. Give nine rules for the use of capital letters
2. Name the parts of speech and define those that have no modifications.
3. Define verse, stanza and paragraph
4. What are the principal parts of a verb? Give principal parts of 'lie,''play,' and 'run'
5. Define case; illustrate each case.
6 What is punctuation? Give rules for principal marks of punctuation.
7 - 10. Write a composition of about 150 words and show therein that you understand the practical use of the rules of grammar.

Arithmetic (Time,1 hour 15 minutes)
1. Name and define the Fundamental Rules of Arithmetic.
2. A wagon box is 2 ft. Deep, 10 feet long, and 3 ft. Wide. How many bushels of wheat will it hold?
3. If a load of wheat weighs 3,942 lbs., what is it worth at 50cts/bushel, deducting 1,050 lbs. For tare?
4. District No 33 has a valuation of $35,000. What is the necessary levy to carry on a school seven months at $50 per month, and have $104 for incidentals?
5. Find the cost of 6,720 lbs. Coal at $6.00 per ton.
6. Find the interest of $512.60 for 8 months and 18 days at 7 percent.
7. What is the cost of 40 boards 12 inches wide and 16 ft.. Long at $20 per metre?
8. Find bank discount on $300 for 90 days (no grace) at 10 percent.
9. What is the cost of a square farm at $15 per acre, the distance of which is 640 rods?
10. Write a Bank Check, a Promissory Note, and a Receipt

U.S. History (Time, 45 minutes)
1 Give the epochs into which U.S. History is divided
2. Give an account of the discovery of America by Columbus
3. Relate the causes and results of the Revolutionary War.
4. Show the territorial growth of the United States
5. Tell what you can of the history of Kansas
6. Describe three of the most prominent battles of the Rebellion.
7. Who were the following: Morse, Whitney, Fulton , Bell , Lincoln , Penn, and Howe?
8. Name events connected with the following dates: 1607, 1620, 1800, 1849, 1865.

Orthography (Time, one hour)
[Do we even know what this is??]
1. What is meant by the following: alphabet, phonetic, orthography, etymology, syllabication
2.. What are elementary sounds? How classified?
3. What are the following, and give examples of each: trigraph, subvocals, diphthong, cognate letters, linguals
4.. Give four substitutes for caret 'u.' (HUH?)
5. Give two rules for spelling words with final 'e.' Name two exceptions under each rule.
6. Give two uses of silent letters in spelling. Illustrate each.
7. Define the following prefixes and use in connection with a word: bi, dis-mis, pre, semi, post, non, inter, mono, sup..
8. Mark diacritically and divide into syllables the following, and name the sign that indicates the sound: card, ball, mercy, sir, odd, cell, rise, blood, fare, last.
9. Use the following correctly in sentences: cite, site, sight, fane, fain, feign, vane , vain, vein, raze, raise, rays.
10. Write 10 words frequently mispronounced and indicate pronunciation by use of diacritical marks
and by syllabication.

Geography (Time, one hour)
1 What is climate? Upon what does climate depend?
2. How do you account for the extremes of climate in Kansas ?
3. Of what use are rivers? Of what use is the ocean?
4. Describe the mountains of North America
5.. Name and describe the following: Monrovia , Odessa , Denver , Manitoba , Hecla , Yukon , St. Helena, Juan Fernandez, Aspinwall and Orinoco
6. Name and locate the principal trade centers of the U.S. Name all the republics of Europe and give the capital of each.
8. Why is the Atlantic Coast colder than the Pacific in the same latitude?
9. Describe the process by which the water of the ocean returns to the sources of rivers..
10. Describe the movements of the earth. Give the inclination of the earth.
Notice that the exam took FIVE HOURS to complete.
Gives the saying 'he only had an 8th grade education' a whole new meaning, doesn't it?!

Also shows you how poor our education system has become and,
NO, I don't have the answers!
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I am sorry you feel most people who have gone to school in the USA haven't been well educated since 1895.

I don't have the answers, either, but I don't think cutting teachers pay will help the issue.
 
Dixie said:
Good, it sounds like you've come a long way to being conservative! I was jut going to mention, Gore's "Reinventing Government" approach, sounds like a really great idea... I bet we could probably find oh... about $100 billion in things that are a waste, which can be cut right away....oh wait, that's exactly what Boehner and Bachmann want to do!

With regard for cuts in military spending, I am not opposed to sensible cuts across the board. I think our military budget is full of unnecessary redundancy, and bloated bureaucratic inefficiency, so I believe very much in the "Al Gore" approach here, let's analyze what we can cut in terms of waste. The only thing we need to all keep in mind, when it comes to talk of MAJOR cuts in military spending, that always means bases will close. This will turn many-a-middle-class town into Deadwood... nothing but ghost towns. This will mean the closing of many industries like Hughes Corporation in LaGrange, GA. or Martin-Marietta in Marietta, GA. Layoffs, people becoming unemployed as a result of the cuts in military spending. There is an entire support structure in the private sector, which is fueled by the military, and certainly has a dramatic economic impact on our nation as a whole.
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There are weapons programs we simply don't need anymore. There is still a lot of "cold war" in our budget.

I know what you're saying on jobs, but I also think it's hard to justify keeping bases open simply to provide jobs. Unless aspects of our military are needed for national security, they should ultimately be cut.
 
Onceler said:
There are weapons programs we simply don't need anymore. There is still a lot of "cold war" in our budget.

I know what you're saying on jobs, but I also think it's hard to justify keeping bases open simply to provide jobs. Unless aspects of our military are needed for national security, they should ultimately be cut.
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Oh, you are correct, there are many things we can cut from military spending, and we should probably do that... but everything comes with a price. When Diane Sawyer does her tear-jerking documentary on the decimated town of Hinesville, and how the base closing turned them into a ghost town... all of these people unemployed and businesses closed everywhere... wondering what their future holds.... is your little liberal heartstring going to be able to handle that? My guess is, you'll find some way to blame mean old republican teabaggers for the pain and suffering... as usual.
 
GAO has just come out with a report saying there are billions of duplicate efforts in diff agencies. We are not even close to being serious about cutting spending. We are just picking out the flower for the prom dress.
 
Rana said:
I am sorry you feel most people who have gone to school in the USA haven't been well educated since 1895.

I don't have the answers, either, but I don't think cutting teachers pay will help the issue.
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Well, I didn't and wouldn't say 1895.

One things for sure and that is sense the department of education was founded, our kids have been neglected.

I'd get rid of the department of education, and public unions, as I see this as being the biggest problems.:):awesome:
 
SmarterThanYou said:
DING DING DING DING DING!!!!!!!


we HAAAAAAAAAAVE a winner!!!!!!!
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Ahahahahahahahaha, yeah, just how many bad teachers would you say are protected by their unions? 50%? 80%

Do you really think there are that many that is has that much of an effect on education?

How about the problem of low salaries not attracting people to the vocation?

Why would you be a teacher when the conditions are bad and the pay is poor? It use to be a vocation for women because they couldn't work elsewhere, that isn't the case any longer.
 
Rana said:
Why would you be a teacher when the conditions are bad and the pay is poor? It use to be a vocation for women because they couldn't work elsewhere, that isn't the case any longer.
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Because there's no real jobs out there at this time, and might not be for a good while?
 
The states with the worse graduation rate are also states without teachers unions, how do you reconcile that with your claims?
 
How about the problem of low salaries not attracting people to the vocation?
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How about we have a system where teachers get paid by how well they educate their students? I'd be all for that! I would love to be able to double or even triple the salary of a teacher, based on that teacher's results with actually educating students.
 
I support merit pay for teachers.

I still want to know why the stated who aren't unionized have poorer results than the states that are unionized if unions are the problem?
 
Rana said:
The states with the worse graduation rate are also states without teachers unions, how do you reconcile that with your claims?
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The department of education.

Also, Texas has teachers unions. That's my understanding. All states do. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
 
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