liberal hypocrisy over the trayvon martin shooting

I haven't bothered to read this thread and what I am about to say might have been said already. But I somehow doubt it.

How can a nation that prides itself on living by the rule of law allow a man who killed a member of the public to remain free and uncharged? Even IF the local law says he is innocent if he felt his life was in danger will no one question that? Is no one going to examine the evidence? Is this law so bat shit crazy and are the citizens so barking mad as to allow a death with NO trial? He may well be innocent before the law but it is not for the police to pass judgement and sure as hell not for the loonies of America to pass judgement.
This has to be near the top of all the reasons to suppose that America does not deserve its position as one of the world leaders.
 
Disillusioned said:
Look up the term "Dark Figure of Crime"

Cops really do rely upon people reporting those crimes.

Think about the gangs shooting eachother, how many of those people "call the police"?
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If what you are stating really happened there would just be dead bodies laying on the streets for days at a time.

People may not want to 'snitch' but it doesn't mean they won't call the police if someone has been shot and needs help.

You need to watch The First 48 Hours my man.
 
cawacko said:
If what you are stating really happened there would just be dead bodies laying on the streets for days at a time.

People may not want to 'snitch' but it doesn't mean they won't call the police if someone has been shot and needs help.

You need to watch The First 48 Hours my man.
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As opposed to, you know, taking a couple of college criminal justice courses. I prefer books and professors to TV shows when I want actual information.
 
Disillusioned said:
As opposed to, you know, taking a couple of college criminal justice courses. I prefer books and professors to TV shows when I want actual information.
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Then you should understand that 50% of crime does not uniformly mean 50% of every crime. It is not proportionate in every instance. For example cases of rape where a man is the victim are far less likely to be reported, then rape against a woman.
 
Disillusioned said:
As opposed to, you know, taking a couple of college criminal justice courses. I prefer books and professors to TV shows when I want actual information.
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So classes in school taught you that people don't call the police when someone's been shot and are left to die in the streets and the bodies just lay there for days until a cop finds them?
 
Johnny Rocketfingers said:
And what particular day was this? I know it couldn't have been longer than a day, or else some sort of historical record of it would exist.
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The Wild West, Prohibition, the days where there were shoot outs in the street with law enforcement. I didn't say it was legal, just that it happened.
 
Lowaicue said:
I haven't bothered to read this thread and what I am about to say might have been said already. But I somehow doubt it.

How can a nation that prides itself on living by the rule of law allow a man who killed a member of the public to remain free and uncharged?
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If you are speaking of the Martin murder, then I would agree that they have enough evidence to suggest self-defense was not applicable and they should have charged Zimmerman by now. If you are asking in general, then there is this thing called evidence. In our country you are presumed innocent. Even if you KNOW who did it, if you do not have enough evidence to prove it, then the DA may not bring charges. Just look to the mob for about a billion examples of that.

Even IF the local law says he is innocent if he felt his life was in danger will no one question that?
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Perhaps you can provide an example of what you are referring to.

Is no one going to examine the evidence? Is this law so bat shit crazy and are the citizens so barking mad as to allow a death with NO trial?
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Again, care to provide an example? If you are referring to Martin's murder, then there are currently three separate investigations on going.

He may well be innocent before the law but it is not for the police to pass judgement and sure as hell not for the loonies of America to pass judgement.
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True, it is not up to the police to pass judgement, it is up to them to collect evidence and present it to the DA. The DA then decides whether a person should be charged.

As for the 'loonies' passing judgement... anytime you get publicity like the Martin case has, you are going to have not only the loonies, but just about everyone pass judgement. That is the dangerous side of making a case public. Sometimes it is necessary to combat an injustice (or perceived injustice) by the police. Obviously I have already 'passed judgement' based on what we have been told of the case. It appears from what they have revealed that they have enough to charge Zimmerman. That said, I acknowledge that the public (including myself) may not be privy to all the details yet. So while I would not convict him without knowing if there was more or not, I would have him arrested at this point and let the evidence come out in court.

This has to be near the top of all the reasons to suppose that America does not deserve its position as one of the world leaders.
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Unfortunately for you, you once again display your hatred for America and insist upon projecting things upon us that simply are not true. Your jealousy of the US once again severely clouds your views.
 
Johnny Rocketfingers said:
Then you should understand that 50% of crime does not uniformly mean 50% of every crime. It is not proportionate in every instance. For example cases of rape where a man is the victim are far less likely to be reported, then rape against a woman.
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That said, even rape against women is significantly under reported. Whereas murders are probably far closer to 100%.
 
Superfreak said:
If you are speaking of the Martin murder, then I would agree that they have enough evidence to suggest self-defense was not applicable and they should have charged Zimmerman by now. If you are asking in general, then there is this thing called evidence. In our country you are presumed innocent. Even if you KNOW who did it, if you do not have enough evidence to prove it, then the DA may not bring charges.

I'm not talking about bringing charges. If the man is innocent he should face trial. Then if the judiciary consider it right, he should be freed.

Just look to the mob for about a billion examples of that.

Whether they have sufficient evidence is not the point. A person was killed. Even if it had been an accident the person responsible should have been taken in for questioning and possibly charged and sent for trial.

Perhaps you can provide an example of what you are referring to.

No. That would be cherry picking and lead to a nonsensical argument.


Again, care to provide an example? If you are referring to Martin's murder, then there are currently three separate investigations on going.

Yes, now there are. But there was no original intent.

True, it is not up to the police to pass judgement, it is up to them to collect evidence and present it to the DA. The DA then decides whether a person should be charged.

As for the 'loonies' passing judgement... anytime you get publicity like the Martin case has, you are going to have not only the loonies, but just about everyone pass judgement. That is the dangerous side of making a case public. Sometimes it is necessary to combat an injustice (or perceived injustice) by the police. Obviously I have already 'passed judgement' based on what we have been told of the case. It appears from what they have revealed that they have enough to charge Zimmerman. That said, I acknowledge that the public (including myself) may not be privy to all the details yet. So while I would not convict him without knowing if there was more or not, I would have him arrested at this point and let the evidence come out in court.



Unfortunately for you, you once again display your hatred for America and insist upon projecting things upon us that simply are not true. Your jealousy of the US once again severely clouds your views.
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You are simply making excuses or attempting to justify the hotch potch of laws particularly in Florida. There appears to be little actual contention between us and it 'appears' that the obvious 'wrongs' of this case are being addressed, but , again, it appears significant that the chief of police 'stepped down' to avoid his own obvious bias being exposed.

Tell me one reason - just one - why ANYONE in the world would be jealous of a country that kills thousands of its own citizens every year, where nearly half its population is so poorly educated that they believe in creationism and have almost no idea of the rest of the world. A country where should one wish to employ someone one must first find someone capable of writing a letter of application! A country in which many of its population consider black people to be actually inferior. A country in which whole governments pass or fail because of non political affairs like religion and abortion. A country that invades countries and kills innocents. A country imbued with violence and confrontationalism from its school kids to its government.
No, my friend. (and this is not just forum crap) very few people, and particularly not me, are jealous of America. Like many of your countrymen, you need to stop kidding yourself. Many people, however, and I count myself as one, are quite interested in America rather as we might be interested in North Korea or Mars or spiders.
Don't tell me people flock to live in America, they flock to live in many countries particularly the UK. Don't tell me about China because I know full well and that does not make American actions (or inactions) justifiable.
 
If the man is innocent he should face trial. Then if the judiciary consider it right, he should be freed.

so he either doesn't know how our justice system works, or he's talking non sensical crap.
 
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