Lessons From Georgia

Thing1 said:
You'll have to ask them. I don't consider myself to be a Democrat. But they're definitely making mistakes right now.

So different from the smooth, mistake-free sailing we see from Trump.
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But this is the same group you think is going to spank the GOP in 2018?

Based on what? History? That it?
 
Thing1 said:
Probably. A Dem winning in that district would have been a big deal.
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what your also missing is the environment for teh midterms will be a lot closer to the Handel election than it is to the grapplin greg or south carolina elections. Democrats will try and make it about trump.

FYI if red areas vote red and blue areas vote blue your going to get massacred in the senate.
 
tsuke said:
what your also missing is the environment for teh midterms will be a lot closer to the Handel election than it is to the grapplin greg or south carolina elections. Democrats will try and make it about trump.

FYI if red areas vote red and blue areas vote blue your going to get massacred in the senate.
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Right after the general election Thingy was predicting a wipeout for the GOP in 2018. House and Senate. He appears to be walking that back now.

Thingy maintains that Trump will drag down the GOP in 2018. But not this time around.
 
Alice in Liberaland said:
But this is the same group you think is going to spank the GOP in 2018?

Based on what? History? That it?
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Exactly. You don't seem to be much of a student of history in general.

The GOP is basically maxxed out. They made huge gains throughout the Obama years, mainly due to Obamacare, which was perceived as an overreach by the electorate (even though Obama basically had a mandate for it in '08).

History tells us the following: it is rare that the party in power makes gains in a mid-term election. Beyond that, it is rare that Americans give one party the reigns of power for too long. Americans are mostly purple - they prefer split government.

And as much as the Dems bumbled this, I think Perez and Ellison are pretty capable leaders in general. Given Trump's historic unpopularity, they will be able to win a lot of races in '18.

Too bad for you guys that Georgia doesn't decide the whole House.
 
Thing1 said:
Exactly. You don't seem to be much of a student of history in general.

The GOP is basically maxxed out. They made huge gains throughout the Obama years, mainly due to Obamacare, which was perceived as an overreach by the electorate (even though Obama basically had a mandate for it in '08).

History tells us the following: it is rare that the party in power makes gains in a mid-term election. Beyond that, it is rare that Americans give one party the reigns of power for too long. Americans are mostly purple - they prefer split government.

And as much as the Dems bumbled this, I think Perez and Ellison are pretty capable leaders in general. Given Trump's historic unpopularity, they will be able to win a lot of races in '18.

Too bad for you guys that Georgia doesn't decide the whole House.
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Tell ya what puddin

Why don't you list for us all of the House seats you think the dems are going to pick up. Think you are up to the task? Or will you be too chicken to be that specific? Or maybe you aren't as astute politically as you claim to be.

Yes history usually favors the out party. But that didn't hold true in 2002
 
Thing1 said:
Exactly. You don't seem to be much of a student of history in general.

The GOP is basically maxxed out. They made huge gains throughout the Obama years, mainly due to Obamacare, which was perceived as an overreach by the electorate (even though Obama basically had a mandate for it in '08).

History tells us the following: it is rare that the party in power makes gains in a mid-term election. Beyond that, it is rare that Americans give one party the reigns of power for too long. Americans are mostly purple - they prefer split government.

And as much as the Dems bumbled this, I think Perez and Ellison are pretty capable leaders in general. Given Trump's historic unpopularity, they will be able to win a lot of races in '18.

Too bad for you guys that Georgia doesn't decide the whole House.
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Biggest upset in American political history. Historically speaking.

To clarify...Obama was very popular, and so lost everything the Dems had gained.

Trump is unpopular, so will lose everything the Reps have gained.

Something like that?
 
Alice in Liberaland said:
Tell ya what puddin

Why don't you list for us all of the House seats you think the dems are going to pick up. Think you are up to the task? Or will you be too chicken to be that specific? Or maybe you aren't as astute politically as you claim to be.

Yes history usually favors the out party. But that didn't hold true in 2002
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LOL - you always give me lengthy homework assignments, as though you think I care that much about proving something to you. I already live rent-free in your head.

Who knows? I don't even know what the races are yet. I just know my political history - and I said rare, which means there are exceptions like 2002.
 
GazzaQueen said:
Biggest upset in American political history. Historically speaking.

To clarify...Obama was very popular, and so lost everything the Dems had gained.

Trump is unpopular, so will lose everything the Reps have gained.

Something like that?
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It's a pendulum. Only posters like desh & ILA think majorities last forever.

But, the GOP will probably lose more, because Trump IS so unpopular.
 
tsuke said:
what your also missing is the environment for teh midterms will be a lot closer to the Handel election than it is to the grapplin greg or south carolina elections. Democrats will try and make it about trump.

FYI if red areas vote red and blue areas vote blue your going to get massacred in the senate.
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Dems SHOULD try to make the mid-term about Trump. That worked for the GOP in '94; it's what the national party should do.

The Senate won't be a massacre. By '18, no one is going to want one-party rule.
 
Thing1 said:
It's a pendulum. Only posters like desh & ILA think majorities last forever.

But, the GOP will probably lose more, because Trump IS so unpopular.
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The pendulum is only now...last November...swinging right. The constant crying over The POTUS is killing the opposition. They need an idea someone will agree with.
 
Thing1 said:
Dems SHOULD try to make the mid-term about Trump. That worked for the GOP in '94; it's what the national party should do.

The Senate won't be a massacre. By '18, no one is going to want one-party rule.
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then your going to have teh same results as ossoff but with less money. Democrats are in danger of exhausting their donor base
 
tsuke said:
then your going to have teh same results as ossoff but with less money. Democrats are in danger of exhausting their donor base
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Why would the results be the same as Ossoff? You're assuming that every district is as red as Georgia's 6th.

You're also assuming that Senate races have the same dynamic as Congressional races. There isn't any gerrymandering for Senate races, and those DO tend to be more national.
 
Thing1 said:
Dems SHOULD try to make the mid-term about Trump. That worked for the GOP in '94; it's what the national party should do.

The Senate won't be a massacre. By '18, no one is going to want one-party rule.
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and that would be a mistake as i pointed out earlier.
 
Losing by single digit points in four strong GOP strongholds within months of the national election?

I wouldn't say that's great, but certainly promising considering midterms are over a year away.
 
Thing1 said:
It's a pendulum. Only posters like desh & ILA think majorities last forever.

But, the GOP will probably lose more, because Trump IS so unpopular.
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Now who is being intellectually dishonest?

When did I ever say majorities last forever? I never have you liar. I have been posting for weeks that the GOP can lose their majority in 2018 but it won't be because of Trump. It will be because they will betray their base.


Now since you claim to be a student of history, you would know that midterm turnout generally favors the GOP.

If they keep their promises to their base they increase their majority in the House and Senate. But ONLY if they keep their promises.

Now which of you dishonest fucksticks will be the first to take my post out of context?
 
Jon Ossoff spent $30M yesterday to not become a Congressman, yesterday I spent $0 for the same outcome. WHO'S THE BETTER POLITICIAN NOW?

From Reddit lol.
 
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