land grabbing Reid calls Bundy supporters 'domestic terrorists'

http://www.reviewjournal.com/politics/reid-calls-bundy-supporters-domestic-terrorists

U.S. Sen. Harry Reid on Thursday called supporters of Bunkerville rancher Cliven Bundy “domestic terrorists” because they defended him against a Bureau of Land Management cattle roundup with guns and put their children in harm’s way.

“Those people who hold themselves out to be patriots are not. They’re nothing more than domestic terrorists,” Reid said during an appearance at a Las Vegas Review-Journal “Hashtags & Headlines” event at the Paris. “… I repeat: what went on up there was domestic terrorism.”

this from one of the idiots that supports secret kill lists, no fly lists, and drone strikes on american citizens by presidential decision as due process of law.

hey harry, bring it on.
 
I found a list of domestic terrorist:

John Adams
Thomas Jefferson
James Madison
Benjamin Franklin
Samuel Adams
Thomas Paine
Patrick Henry
Alexander Hamilton
Gouverneur Morris
 
Just being efficient; I left off many. The Department of Homeland Security has also declared these men terrorists.
 
I found a list of domestic terrorist:

John Adams
Thomas Jefferson
James Madison
Benjamin Franklin
Samuel Adams
Thomas Paine
Patrick Henry
Alexander Hamilton
Gouverneur Morris

Yes, the Founding Fathers were considered to be domestic terrorists by England and would have been hanged for treason.

So, how are Muslim suicide bombers different in your opinion?

Should we allow any citizen who does not agree with this countries laws to take up arms against our government?

Marijuana will now be legalized in the USA by consistent, peaceful means. We rebelled against the laws we thought we unfair and no one took up arms.

There is still a lawful way to change unfair laws. It has not reached a level of armed rebellion against our government and at his pint extremists are the only ones thinking it is.
 
Yes, the Founding Fathers were considered to be domestic terrorists by England and would have been hanged for treason.

So, how are Muslim suicide bombers different in your opinion?
again, that you fail to see the difference tells us you're not qualified to be an American.

Should we allow any citizen who does not agree with this countries laws to take up arms against our government?
if a law violates the constitution, it is not only your right, but your DUTY!!!!

Marijuana will now be legalized in the USA by consistent, peaceful means. We rebelled against the laws we thought we unfair and no one took up arms.
this only means that MJ legalization wasn't an important enough issue for people to be violent about.

There is still a lawful way to change unfair laws. It has not reached a level of armed rebellion against our government and at his pint extremists are the only ones thinking it is.
tomato, tomahto
 
Yes, the Founding Fathers were considered to be domestic terrorists by England and would have been hanged for treason.

So, how are Muslim suicide bombers different in your opinion?

Should we allow any citizen who does not agree with this countries laws to take up arms against our government?

Marijuana will now be legalized in the USA by consistent, peaceful means. We rebelled against the laws we thought we unfair and no one took up arms.

There is still a lawful way to change unfair laws. It has not reached a level of armed rebellion against our government and at his pint extremists are the only ones thinking it is.
Yes, the Founding Fathers were considered to be domestic terrorists by England and would have been hanged for treason.

What was the end result?

So, how are Muslim suicide bombers different in your opinion?

What are their goals?

Should we allow any citizen who does not agree with this countries laws to take up arms against our government?

Who took up arms first?

Marijuana will now be legalized in the USA by consistent, peaceful means. We rebelled against the laws we thought we unfair and no one took up arms.

What branch of the government agency showed up with 200+ armed SWAT type teams based on myriad lies, and was instigated by a corrupt politician looking out for the interest of China?

There is still a lawful way to change unfair laws. It has not reached a level of armed rebellion against our government and at his pint extremists are the only ones thinking it is.

There is a peaceful and standard protocol for the government or anyone to collect monetary arrears and that is a writ of execution for financial and monetary assets. This wasn't about tortoises, grazing fees, cattle, or any other fluid exercise used by the government; this was about taking the land for the Chinese. .
 
What was the end result?



What are their goals?



Who took up arms first?



What branch of the government agency showed up with 200+ armed SWAT type teams based on myriad lies, and was instigated by a corrupt politician looking out for the interest of China?



There is a peaceful and standard protocol for the government or anyone to collect monetary arrears and that is a writ of execution for financial and monetary assets. This wasn't about tortoises, grazing fees, cattle, or any other fluid exercise used by the government; this was about taking the land for the Chinese. .


The Muslims goal, that oppression against them ends and that people believe as they do. Does that sound familiar?

What do you think their, the Muslim's goals are?

The government by law is allowed to seize assets, if you don't pay your taxes what do they do?

Taking land for the Chinese, jeebus, let me grab my tin hat.

http://mediamatters.org/mobile/blog...cattle-conspiracy-dodges-facts-but-sti/198880


If Media Mattrs isn't your cup of tea party, there are several other sites that claim the Chinese land grab is for loony tunes.
 
The Muslims goal, that oppression against them ends and that people believe as they do. Does that sound familiar?

What do you think their, the Muslim's goals are?
you're still failing to see the difference, in that your muslim terrorists attack civilians, we are not.

The government by law is allowed to seize assets, if you don't pay your taxes what do they do?
what gave them that authority?

Taking land for the Chinese, jeebus, let me grab my tin hat.
there is something there, or Reid would not have stepped in to have his say. why is he so adamant about the domestic terrorism angle?
 
you're still failing to see the difference, in that your muslim terrorists attack civilians, we are not.

what gave them that authority?


there is something there, or Reid would not have stepped in to have his say. why is he so adamant about the domestic terrorism angle?

I am sorry, but people who work for the AFT and the other agencies you would attack are civilians. The Bundy terrorists were also willing to use human shields, civilians as targets.

Yiu hero, McVeigh killed lots of civilians.
 
I am sorry, but people who work for the AFT and the other agencies you would attack are civilians. The Bundy terrorists were also willing to use human shields, civilians as targets.

Yiu hero, McVeigh killed lots of civilians.

why do you have no problem when those same civilians shoot and kill non government employee civilians with impunity then? why don't you finally admit that you are a right wing conservative law and order type?
 
Taking land for the Chinese, jeebus, let me grab my tin hat.

Well considering that he has already used the BLM to redraw the desert tortoise refuge to allow his former top campaign donor to build a development, it makes me believe that he is quite capable and willing to use the same government agency to to further his parties agenda on green energy as well as line his family's pockets in the process
 
Well considering that he has already used the BLM to redraw the desert tortoise refuge to allow his former top campaign donor to build a development, it makes me believe that he is quite capable and willing to use the same government agency to to further his parties agenda on green energy as well as line his family's pockets in the process

You have so many facts wrong, all of you, the non profit that lobbies for tortoise have been buying up all the grazing leases.


You guys should read the actual facts instead of buying into every rabid conspiracy theory.
 
You have so many facts wrong, all of you, the non profit that lobbies for tortoise have been buying up all the grazing leases.


You guys should read the actual facts instead of buying into every rabid conspiracy theory.

it's amusing how everything is a conspiracy theory when it doesn't fit your ideology or agenda.
 
The Muslims goal, that oppression against them ends and that people believe as they do. Does that sound familiar?

What do you think their, the Muslim's goals are?

The government by law is allowed to seize assets, if you don't pay your taxes what do they do?

Taking land for the Chinese, jeebus, let me grab my tin hat.

http://mediamatters.org/mobile/blog...cattle-conspiracy-dodges-facts-but-sti/198880


If Media Mattrs isn't your cup of tea party, there are several other sites that claim the Chinese land grab is for loony tunes.

The Muslims goal, that oppression against them ends and that people believe as they do. Does that sound familiar?

  • Osama bin Laden wrote a letter one year after 9/11 stating what al-Qaeda's motives were:
  • Because the West supported the attacks on Muslims in Somalia.
  • For supporting the Russian atrocities against Muslims in Chechnya.
  • For supporting the Indian oppression against Muslims in Kashmir.
  • For supporting the Jewish aggression against Muslims in Lebanon.
  • Because the US has troops in Saudi Arabia.
  • Because the U.S. supports of Israel.
  • Because the US has sanctions against Iraq.



What do you think their, the Muslim's goals are?

From the Koran: …

kill the polytheists wherever you find them and capture and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they repent… then let them go on their way… Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the last day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and his messenger (Muhammad) have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth (Islam)​

The government by law is allowed to seize assets, if you don't pay your taxes what do they do?

If you don’t pay taxes does the IRS show up with a 200 man armed SWAT team, or do they go to a judge and get a writ of execution and seize bank accounts, investments, and any other monies to satisfy the debt?

But this was not about grazing fees. First they tried to run Bundy off with the endangered tortoise excuse—but Reid allowed his donors to build on 100s of thousands of acres in the endangered tortoise’s habitat. Then they tried the grazing fees; they have had many years to seize Bundy’s assets outside the ranch to satisfy the grazing fees, but chose not to. Then the BLM’s website stated that Bundy’s ranch was interfering with wind and solar power, and then they removed the page about Bundy. Collecting grazing fees would not give them control over Bundy’s ranch. They did this to Bundy’s neighbors and they are all gone. Bundy is the only one that stood up. Reid made a deal with the Chinese, and less than two months after the deal, his son incorporated the Chinese company in Nevada, and they started looking for land, and Bundy’s ranch is in the designated land per the page on the BLM website before it was taken down. It was taken down within hours of the Reid and Chinese connection was reported in the press.

Taking land for the Chinese, jeebus, let me grab my tin hat.
See above.
 
  • Osama bin Laden wrote a letter one year after 9/11 stating what al-Qaeda's motives were:
  • Because the West supported the attacks on Muslims in Somalia.
  • For supporting the Russian atrocities against Muslims in Chechnya.
  • For supporting the Indian oppression against Muslims in Kashmir.
  • For supporting the Jewish aggression against Muslims in Lebanon.
  • Because the US has troops in Saudi Arabia.
  • Because the U.S. supports of Israel.
  • Because the US has sanctions against Iraq.





From the Koran: …

kill the polytheists wherever you find them and capture and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they repent… then let them go on their way… Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the last day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and his messenger (Muhammad) have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth (Islam)​






But this was not about grazing fees. First they tried to run Bundy off with the endangered tortoise excuse—but Reid allowed his donors to build on 100s of thousands of acres in the endangered tortoise’s habitat. Then they tried the grazing fees; they have had many years to seize Bundy’s assets outside the ranch to satisfy the grazing fees, but chose not to. Then the BLM’s website stated that Bundy’s ranch was interfering with wind and solar power, and then they removed the page about Bundy. Collecting grazing fees would not give them control over Bundy’s ranch. They did this to Bundy’s neighbors and they are all gone. Bundy is the only one that stood up. Reid made a deal with the Chinese, and less than two months after the deal, his son incorporated the Chinese company in Nevada, and they started looking for land, and Bundy’s ranch is in the designated land per the page on the BLM website before it was taken down. It was taken down within hours of the Reid and Chinese connection was reported in the press.


See above.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/conspiracy/nevada.asp
 
no, you don't. i've shown many 'theories' with facts yet you, zappa, apple, and others still dismiss it as rightwing nonsense, even though i'm not rightwing. (and mott can fuck off for still thinking i'm a right wing based on my indifference to citizens united)

All pretty much disproven in the Bundy case.

You support domestic terrorism, you did not condemn mcVeigh just the agencies he attacked. You are deranged and support violence against our nation. You need help.
 
You have so many facts wrong, all of you, the non profit that lobbies for tortoise have been buying up all the grazing leases.


You guys should read the actual facts instead of buying into every rabid conspiracy theory.

I am not finding these tortoise loving grazing rights buyers.

Neil Kornze, director of the Bureau of Land Management, was a Senior Policy Advisor from 2003-2011 for Harry Reid.

Kornze, as Reid’s senior policy advisor, was instrumental in helping create the Western Solar Plan with the BLM to use public lands for energy.

The Western Solar Plan, which Kornze was instrumental in creating, was responsible for the Ivanpah Solar Electric Generating System. There are three towers 40 stories high with 350,000 mirrors placed directly in the habitat of the very tortoise that was at the center of Bundy’s cattle dispute. The tortoises are not in the area anymore, and the project is scorching and killing birds. The project is owned by Bright Source Energy. Coincidently, Bright Source Energy is a large donor to Harry Reid.

Along comes one of Kornze and Reid’s buddy, Harvey Whittemore—a large Reid donor, and so large he was convicted and sentenced to two years in prison for his Reid donations. Whittemore wanted to build a golf and residential resort called Coyote Springs in partnership with Bright Source Energy—a benefactor of Reid overlooking the destroying the habitat of the tortoise in question with Bundy’s ranch. Coyote Springs is 42,000 acres of prime habitat for the endangered tortoise. Of course these are the customary perks of donating to Harry Reid. If only Bundy was a donor. In all, Bright Source Energy was allotted 285,000 acres for solar development in the endangered tortoise habitat.

Along comes Rory Reid, Harry Reid’s son. Rory is an attorney in Vegas. Rory chaired the Clark County commission. Rory and his firm represent ENN Energy Group, a Chinese company. Rory was involved, I am sure coincidently, in the sale of property in Clark County to ENN for $4.5 million. But the land appraised for $29.6 million and $38.6 million from two separate appraisal firms. And coincidently, Rory’s father, Harry, had just met with ENN during his China trip about a manufacturing plant in Nevada. But not before ENN Mohave Energy LLC of Nevada was created as a subsidiary of ENN Energy Group. The ENN Mohave Energy LLC was created by Lionel Sawyer of the Nevada law firm Lionel Sawyer & Collins, which coincidently is where Rory works.

This is what Harry Reid’s former senior policy advisor and current director of the BLM had on their website, which was taken down after the blowup:

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