Krauthammer: "Bungled collusion is stilll collusion."

Darth Omar said:
Maybe it's just me, but I'm stuck on that aspect of it.

Assuming Junior went to the FBI, what could they do on such thin information? 'Ok, thanks Junior, we'll get back with you on that?'.

Junior had to take the meeting to find out if there was dirt. So, you have to *assume* Junior wouldn't have gone to the Feds if he found out something. What if it was something so bad Junior would feel compelled to report it?

I don't think a prosecutor would touch this because it forces too many guesswork assumptions about what Junior intended to do with the dirt *after* he received it. The only thing known for sure is was willing to hear it.

Krauthammer is usually a better thinker than this. Kinda/sorta collusion is untenable. It's a charge the partisans make because it's politically expedient for them to make it. If you don't collude all the way, you haven't colluded. 'Attempted collusion' is nonsense. Just because I jumped off the roof and attempted to fly doesn't mean I flew lol.
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missed that,,lol

"This was a bungled collusion. This was amateurish collusion. This was Keystone Cops collusion," Krauthammer said. "But it doesn't change the fact that it was attempted collusion and it undoes the White House story completely."
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:palm:
 
anatta said:
he's always been a #neverTrump.
The term collusion means more then taking a meeting -it implies a conspiracy -or at least cooperation on a common goal.
And that means some kind of quid pro quo, not just I'll show you my work.

Krauthammer is desperate not to be in a position to upend his long term hostility to Trump
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So going to get dirt on your political opponent from an adversarial nation doesn't quite make the cut???:rolleyes:
 
Intelligence analysts have speculated that the entire meeting was recorded by the Russian government (since there was a counter-intelligence presence in the meeting). Which basically means... Kushner is now an active risk to national security, and will with 100% certainty lose his clearance at minimum. He's more of a risk than Flynn.
 
many Rs have been targeted by russia for Op intel


its why they wont go against trumpy


its not just his base they fear


they fear bad op intel on them
 
anatta said:
as a lawyer....you should know that any collusion ( and use the legal term here conspiracy )
requires an active goal agreed up for co-conspirators. No where do they agree to "collude" to bring down Hillary.
You can say Russia has that implied goal,but it was never stated by the Russian lawyer/Goldstein/ or Trump.
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So are saying here that if we find out that it was stated you would agree there was collusion/conspiracy?? Or will you find something else to hang your hat on??
 
Amadeus said:
Intelligence analysts have speculated that the entire meeting was recorded by the Russian government (since there was a counter-intelligence presence in the meeting). Which basically means... Kushner is now an active risk to national security, and will with 100% certainty lose his clearance at minimum. He's more of a risk than Flynn.
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Then who will be left to rule the gubment?? Certainly Ivanka can't do it on her own......:(
 
anatta said:
as a lawyer....you should know that any collusion ( and use the legal term here conspiracy )
requires an active goal agreed up for co-conspirators. No where do they agree to "collude" to bring down Hillary.
You can say Russia has that implied goal,but it was never stated by the Russian lawyer/Goldstein/ or Trump.

we do not accuse people of a conspiracy with no proof to conspire!

I blame Manafort here. His lack of disclosure while working with the Party of Region ( Yanukovych's Uk party)
led to his careless lack of warning to the neophyte Trump Jr's gung ho decision to take the meeting..

Kushner's lack of reporting the meeting with Russians on his SF-86 forms is an oversight since there really was no meeting.

I also agree Trump Jr. SHOULD HAVE reported it to the FBI, but i have to wonder if he was aware of that as protocol.
I think his guilt is lack of a conscience
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That's a load of crap, annette.

Call it whatever legal term you want, it still comes down to collusion with a Russian agent for an improper purpose.

Dirty Donnie Jr was informed by the email what the purpose of the meeting was and he enthusiastically agreed and accepted.

End of story.

Your flimsy excuse making just sounds pathetic and childish.
 
Nomad said:
You're so full of crap, annette.

Call it whatever legal term you want, it still comes down to collusion with a Russian agent for an improper purpose.

Dirty Donnie Jr was informed by the email what the purpose of the meeting was and he enthusiastically agreed and accepted.

End of story.

Your flimsy excuse making just sounds pathetic and childish.
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you always look so cute when you get bothered and call me annette.

You are a lawyer..I mean make some legal points or not.
There is no collusion here because there is no agreement to collude. an agreement has to be stated -not implied.

end of story indeed.
 
anatta said:
you always look so cute when you get bothered and call me annette.

You are a lawyer..I mean make some legal points or not.
There is no collusion here because there is no agreement to collude. an agreement has to be stated -not implied.

end of story indeed.
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Nonsense.

Donnie went to the meeting with an INTENT.

He is on record accepting and agreeing with an offer to do something illegal.

He knew or was told that she was a Russian govt lawyer who was part of a Russian govt plan to influence our election and that she had information that could help that happen.

He has proven his intent to break the law.

He is guilty of intent to collude with a foreign govt.

Period.
 
Nomad said:
Nonsense.

Donnie went to the meeting with an INTENT.

He is on record accepting and agreeing with an offer to do something illegal.

He knew or was told that she was a Russian govt lawyer who was part of a Russian govt plan to influence our election and that she had information that could help that happen.

He has proven his intent to break the law.

He is guilty of intent to collude with a foreign govt.

Period.
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intent to what?? Intent to get dirt on Hillary,not intent to collude with Russia to do anything about it.
There was no partnership -you can say it's implied .I can say it wasn't.
absent evidence it was a partnership -it's not
 
I wonder of Kushner referenced the other Russians agent(s) in the room when he revised his security clearance documents. If not... that's, what, his third or fourth time revising it to included 'forgotten' Russians?
 
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