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I voted for Obama. Come to my house and try to take my guns and see how you end up. Guns protect 20x more people per year then they kill. Hundreds of thousands of people per year use a fire arm to stop themselves from being victimized. Those of you that would take those guns unintentionally intend that those hundreds of thousands of people per year become victims of crime. Last year, there was a post on this very board about a woman who shot a man who came back to her house to rape her for a second time. Those of you that want guns banned want her to be raped again. Those are your ONLY choices. The police are not here to protect you or keep you safe. Your safety is your responsibility and like it or not, on rare occasions that means using deadly force, or the threat of deadly force.
 
I voted for Obama. Come to my house and try to take my guns and see how you end up. Guns protect more that 20x more people per year then they kill. Hundreds of thousands of people per year use a fire arm to stop themselves from being victimized. Those of you that would take those guns unintentionally intend that those hundreds of thousands of people per year become victims of crime. Last year, there was a post on this very board about a woman who shot a man who came back to her house to rape her for a second time. Those of you that want guns banned want her to be raped again. Those are your ONLY choices. The police are not here to protect you or keep you safe. Your safety is your responsibility and like it or not, on rare occasions that means using deadly force, or the threat of deadly force.

I agree completely. I just want to be sure that I use the weapon both wisely and skillfully. Wisely needs no explanation. Skillfully -- well, I don't want to waste time trying to figure out where the safety is and how the thing works; I want it to be second nature. So I go to the practice range with friends and have taken instruction that will help me to be calm and rational should the need to use the weapon ever arise. I still hope it doesn't but will be prepared if it is ever necessary.
 
I agree completely. I just want to be sure that I use the weapon both wisely and skillfully. Wisely needs no explanation. Skillfully -- well, I don't want to waste time trying to figure out where the safety is and how the thing works; I want it to be second nature. So I go to the practice range with friends and have taken instruction that will help me to be calm and rational should the need to use the weapon ever arise. I still hope it doesn't but will be prepared if it is ever necessary.

Well done, Thorn!!! Kudos to you for both the post and the firearms practice!!
 
I voted for Obama. Come to my house and try to take my guns and see how you end up. Guns protect 20x more people per year then they kill. Hundreds of thousands of people per year use a fire arm to stop themselves from being victimized. Those of you that would take those guns unintentionally intend that those hundreds of thousands of people per year become victims of crime. Last year, there was a post on this very board about a woman who shot a man who came back to her house to rape her for a second time. Those of you that want guns banned want her to be raped again. Those are your ONLY choices. The police are not here to protect you or keep you safe. Your safety is your responsibility and like it or not, on rare occasions that means using deadly force, or the threat of deadly force.

I agree 100%.
 
Yeah, you are right. That's where I live.
Now, can I have my donkey back please?




All of western Europe, South Korea, Kuwait, Grenada, the Philippines, numerous other countries throughout the Pacific, Afghanistan, Iraq, and arguably the USSR. The list goes on... so what's your answer?
 
So guns save more than they kill? Prove it or quit lying.

The massacres will not continue. Attorney General Holder and President Obama have the mandate to stop the slughter on our streets.

Your violent (and empty) threats will come to nothing when the law changes to reflect the will of the people.
 
Guns are also for shooting skeet, hunting for next winter's venison roast, getting the husband out of the house on a weekend, bonding father, son and grandson, gaining the satisfaction of mastering a skill.

If all you can focus on is the negative use of guns, then I can focus on the negative use of cars. The are both instruments of destruction, if that is how you MUST see it.

I see them both as instruments, to be used as the operator wants. It is the operator who must be kept from using them in a destructive manner.

That being said, I do believe that there are some guns that just plain need to be banned. But if you want to take away my husband's shotguns, to paraphrase Charlton Heston, you'll have to pry them out of his cold, dead hands.

True, and the Global Warming crisis would be solved if everyone was like you and me.

Cars aren't used for mass muirder, though, and guns are. We need to disarm the public now!

One battle at a time.
 
So guns save more than they kill? Prove it or quit lying.

The massacres will not continue. Attorney General Holder and President Obama have the mandate to stop the slughter on our streets.

Your violent (and empty) threats will come to nothing when the law changes to reflect the will of the people.
The excerpt below is taken from Dr. Kleck's website. I have repeatedly posted Dr. Kleck's stats and challenged ANYONE to disprove them. That challenge has also been issued by Kleck himself and no one can disprove them. His website is here http://www.pulpless.com/gunclock/kleck2.html

The National Self-Defense Survey was the first survey specifically designed to estimate the frequency of defensive gun uses. It asked all respondents about both their own uses and those of other household members, inquired about all gun types, excluded uses against animals or connected with occupational duties, and limited recall periods to one and five years. Equally importantly, it established, with detailed questioning, whether persons claiming a defensive gun use had actually confronted an adversary (as distinct from, say, merely investigating a suspicious noise in the backyard), actually used their guns in some way, such as, at minimum, threatening their adversaries (as distinct from merely owning or carrying a gun for defensive reasons), and had done so in connection with what they regarded as a specific crime being committed against them.

The National Self-Defense Survey indicated that there were 2.5 million incidents of defensive gun use per year in the U.S. during the 1988-1993 period. This is probably a conservative estimate, for two reasons. First, cases of respondents intentionally withholding reports of genuine defensive-gun uses were probably more common than cases of respondents reporting incidents that did not occur or that were not genuinely defensive. Second, the survey covered only adults age 18 and older, thereby excluding all defensive gun uses involving adolescents, the age group most likely to suffer a violent victimization.
 
Hear! Hear!

Yes, left to their own devices the populations will self regulate. But the mechanism of that self regulation, in the absence of any predation, is starvation and disease. The animals will not stop mating and reproducing simply because they are not being killed by predators or hunters. They will continue to reproduce and eat. The prime example is the whitetail deer. In the state of Alabama there are approximately 1.5 million deer. Wildlife biologists suggest taking 1/3 of that out to maintain a healthy herd. That means removing 500,000 animals. Other than hunting, how would we accomplish that?

As for marksmanship, I think you are wrong about that. The people that I know that hunt are very picky about their firearms and their ability to hit what they are aiming at. I go to shooting ranges all over the eastern half of the USA, and it is very rare that one is empty. More often than not, I have to wait for an open bench from which to shoot. In the month before deer season, the number of shooter goes way up. Almost every one I have seen is accurate to at least 200 yards.

I am not going to claim that there are no wounded animals and bad shots out there. But I will maintain that hunting is far more humane than the typical life of the animals raised for your local supermarket. And certainly more humane than the increasing number of animals killed by cars every year.

Here is more info: A deer population that rises out of control has the potential to harm in a number of ways. Most directly is through an increase in deer-automobile collisions. According to the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety, some 1.5 million vehicles collided with deer in 2003, causing nearly 14,000 injuries and over $1 billion in vehicle damage.

Meanwhile, an overabundance of deer could threaten forests, and therefore other wildlife, across the country. According to one study, wild American ginseng and other forest-floor plants are in danger of going extinct because white-tailed deer eat them faster than they grow back. Another favorite food of deer, saplings, is also being eaten in devastating amounts.

(from http://www.sixwise.com/newsletters/...he-controversial-benefits-of-hunting-them.htm )

Also, there are several programs that donate meat from wild game to food banks, homeless shelters and the like. One program, Farmers and Hunters Feeding the Hungry, has donate 1,600 tons of venison and other big game. This is high protein, low fat meat without the steroids, antibiotics, and other chemicals found in typical grocery store meat. And it feeds those that are least able to afford quality foods.
 
NRA propaganda.

America and Gun Violence

Every day, more than 80 Americans die from gun violence. (Coalition to Stop Gun Violence)

The rate of firearm deaths among kids under age 15 is almost 12 times higher in the United States than in 25 other industrialized countries combined. (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention)

American kids are 16 times more likely to be murdered with a gun, 11 times more likely to commit suicide with a gun, and nine times more likely to die from a firearm accident than children in 25 other industrialized countries combined. (Centers for Disease Control)

http://www.neahin.org/programs/schoolsafety/gunsafety/statistics.htm



But that's OK because a few bubbas donate the carcasses of the defenseless animals they slaughter to a food bank?

No, and it will stop.

The Obama administration will seek to reinstate the assault weapons ban that expired in 2004 during the Bush administration.

That's just the beginning.
 
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You seem to have a real problem staying on topic. We ain't debating javelins.

Firearms are the second leading cause of traumatic death related to a consumer product in the United States and are the second most frequent cause of death overall for Americans ages 15 to 24.

Since 1960, more than a million Americans have died in firearm suicides, homicides, and unintentional injuries.

In 2003 alone, 30,136 Americans died by gunfire: 16,907 in firearm suicides, 11,920 in firearm homicides, 730 in unintentional shootings, and 232 in firearm deaths of unknown intent, according to the National Center for Health Statistics. Nearly three times that number are treated in emergency rooms each year for nonfatal firearm injuries.

If a child's toy or a food product caused that kind of mayhem, it would have been banned long ago.
 
During his confirmation hearing, Attoney General Holder told the Senate Judiciary Committee about other gun control measures the Obama administration may consider.

Get used to it!
 
No, people are the second leading cause of traumatic death related to a consumer product in the United States... maybe the first.

Please try to tell the difference between an inanimate object and a murderer, disturbed person or untrained child with ridiculously negligent parents.

OK, that was an attempt to poke at you. I don't want to do that. And I don't want you to do that to me. I want to know what is really behind your need to take my gun away from me. Because I am never going to kill anyone with it, it will never get into a child's hands nor anyone else's. While you can argue that that may not be true, assume for the moment that it is. Would you then have a reason to remove my gun from my control then? What is it?

I agree that guns definitely need to be taken out of the hands of murderers, disturbed persons or untrained children with ridiculously negligent parents.


You seem to have a real problem staying on topic. We ain't debating javelins.

Firearms are the second leading cause of traumatic death related to a consumer product in the United States and are the second most frequent cause of death overall for Americans ages 15 to 24.

Since 1960, more than a million Americans have died in firearm suicides, homicides, and unintentional injuries.

In 2003 alone, 30,136 Americans died by gunfire: 16,907 in firearm suicides, 11,920 in firearm homicides, 730 in unintentional shootings, and 232 in firearm deaths of unknown intent, according to the National Center for Health Statistics. Nearly three times that number are treated in emergency rooms each year for nonfatal firearm injuries.

If a child's toy or a food product caused that kind of mayhem, it would have been banned long ago.
 
So guns save more than they kill? Prove it or quit lying.

The massacres will not continue. Attorney General Holder and President Obama have the mandate to stop the slughter on our streets.

Your violent (and empty) threats will come to nothing when the law changes to reflect the will of the people.

bullshit...there is no mandate for ridding the US of the right to bear arms...you're full of shit

the will of the people is NOT to ban guns, you're delusional if you think so...

further, i already told you that scotus will not overrule heller....so get used it and deal with it.
 
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So guns save more than they kill? Prove it or quit lying.

The massacres will not continue. Attorney General Holder and President Obama have the mandate to stop the slughter on our streets.

Your violent (and empty) threats will come to nothing when the law changes to reflect the will of the people.

mandate, LOL. I'll let you know how many of the Obama nation I had to kill when they start marching down my street to disarm me.
 
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