Kerch Strait Conflict

noise said:
well there you go. The Kyiv faction doesn't want any cooperation with Russia - it doesn't want Uk neutrality either.
They are pawns of NATO
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Crimea saw the proposed repeal of the 2012 law as a threat to its autonomy.

And ... on Feb. 28, 2018, the 2012 law was declared unconstitutional.
https://ukranews.com/en/news/550164...lares-law-on-language-policy-unconstitutional

As a result ...

Region in Ukraine's west bans Russian-language books, movies
https://apnews.com/a86d9ec891e0458dbac0b9f40e457a12
Sep 19, 2018 - MINSK, Belarus (AP) — A regional council in western Ukraine has passed a motion to ban all Russian-language books, films and songs in the ..."



And a little history on the matter just for kicks ...

"Russification of Ukraine - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russification_of_Ukraine
The Russification of Ukraine was a body of laws, decrees, and other actions undertaken by the ... In 1876, tsar Alexander II of Russia issued the Ems Ukaz, a secret decree banning the use of the Ukrainian language in print, with the exception ...
 
reagansghost said:
oh yeah, Americans are hell bent on war with Russia

jesus christ asshole, you don't recognize Putin/Russian aggression on the United States YET???

are you a fuckin Russian or what?
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No, I'm not Russian and I don't see any aggression on their part beyond what they've always shown. I guess you're not old enough to remember the Cold War.
 
Guille said:
No, I'm not Russian and I don't see any aggression on their part beyond what they've always shown. I guess you're not old enough to remember the Cold War.
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ok, you're Bulgarian whatever

so you don't see any aggression on their part beyond what they've always shown

Putin/Russia haven't been conducting an aggressive cyber WAR against America since at least 2014?

you'r either a total dumbass or a Russisn boiler room worker
 
reagansghost said:
ok, you're Bulgarian whatever

so you don't see any aggression on their part beyond what they've always shown

Putin/Russia haven't been conducting an aggressive cyber WAR against America since at least 2014?

you'r either a total dumbass or a Russisn boiler room worker
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I think the Dem leaks were internal.
 
he Budapest Memorandum was signed in 1994 among Ukraine on the one hand and Russia, the United Kingdom and the USA on the other. Subsequently, France and China joined the treaty. The document provided for voluntary refusal of Ukraine from its own nuclear potential in exchange for guarantees of territorial integrity and sovereignty.
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America's Ukraine Hypocrisy
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-skeptics/americas-ukraine-hypocrisy-21803

Despite his leadership defects and character flaws, Yanukovych had been duly elected in balloting that international observers considered reasonably free and fair —about the best standard one can hope for outside the mature Western democracies. A decent respect for democratic institutions and procedures meant that he ought to be able to serve out his lawful term as president, which would end in 2016.

Neither the domestic opposition nor Washington and its European Union allies behaved in that fashion.
Instead, Western leaders made it clear that they supported the efforts of demonstrators to force Yanukovych to reverse course and approve the EU agreement or, if he would not do so, to remove the president before his term expired.
Sen. John McCain (R-AZ), the ranking Republican on the Senate Armed Services Committee, went to Kiev to show solidarity with the Euromaidan activists.
McCain dined with opposition leaders, including members of the ultra right-wing Svoboda Party , and later appeared on stage in Maidan Square during a mass rally.
He stood shoulder to shoulder with Svoboda leader Oleg Tyagnibok.

But McCain’s actions were a model of diplomatic restraint compared to the conduct of Victoria Nuland, the assistant secretary of state for European and Eurasian Affairs.
As Ukraine’s political crisis deepened, Nuland and her subordinates became more brazen in favoring the anti-Yanukovych demonstrators. Nuland noted in a speech to the U.S.-Ukraine Foundation on December 13, 2013, that she had traveled to Ukraine three times in the weeks following the start of the demonstrations. Visiting the Maidan on December 5, she handed out cookies to demonstrators and expressed support for their cause.

The extent of the Obama administration’s meddling in Ukraine’s politics was breathtaking.
Russian intelligence intercepted and leaked to the international media a Nuland telephone call in which she and U.S. ambassador to Ukraine Geoffey Pyatt discussed in detail their preferences for specific personnel in a post-Yanukovych government. The U.S-favored candidates included Arseniy Yatsenyuk, the man who became prime minister once Yanukovych was ousted from power. During the telephone call, Nuland stated enthusiastically that “Yats is the guy” who would do the best job.

Nuland and Pyatt were engaged in such planning at a time when Yanukovych was still Ukraine’s lawful president. It was startling to have diplomatic representatives of a foreign country—and a country that routinely touts the need to respect democratic processes and the sovereignty of other nations—to be scheming about removing an elected government and replacing it with officials meriting U.S. approval.

Washington’s conduct not only constituted meddling, it bordered on micromanagement.

Both the Obama administration and most of the American news media portrayed the Euromaidan Revolution as a spontaneous, popular uprising against a corrupt and brutal government.
The Nuland-Pyatt telephone conversation and other actions confirm that the United States was considerably more than a passive observer to the turbulence.
Instead, U.S. officials were blatantly meddling in Ukraine. Such conduct was utterly improper.
The United States had no right to try to orchestrate political outcomes in another country—especially one on the border of another great power.
It is no wonder that Russia reacted badly to the unconstitutional ouster of an elected, pro-Russian government—an ouster that occurred not only with Washington’s blessing, but apparently with its assistance.
 
noise said:
America's Ukraine Hypocrisy
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-skeptics/americas-ukraine-hypocrisy-21803

Despite his leadership defects and character flaws, Yanukovych had been duly elected in balloting that international observers considered reasonably free and fair —about the best standard one can hope for outside the mature Western democracies. A decent respect for democratic institutions and procedures meant that he ought to be able to serve out his lawful term as president, which would end in 2016.

Neither the domestic opposition nor Washington and its European Union allies behaved in that fashion.
Instead, Western leaders made it clear that they supported the efforts of demonstrators to force Yanukovych to reverse course and approve the EU agreement or, if he would not do so, to remove the president before his term expired.
Sen. John McCain (R-AZ), the ranking Republican on the Senate Armed Services Committee, went to Kiev to show solidarity with the Euromaidan activists.
McCain dined with opposition leaders, including members of the ultra right-wing Svoboda Party , and later appeared on stage in Maidan Square during a mass rally.
He stood shoulder to shoulder with Svoboda leader Oleg Tyagnibok.

But McCain’s actions were a model of diplomatic restraint compared to the conduct of Victoria Nuland, the assistant secretary of state for European and Eurasian Affairs.
As Ukraine’s political crisis deepened, Nuland and her subordinates became more brazen in favoring the anti-Yanukovych demonstrators. Nuland noted in a speech to the U.S.-Ukraine Foundation on December 13, 2013, that she had traveled to Ukraine three times in the weeks following the start of the demonstrations. Visiting the Maidan on December 5, she handed out cookies to demonstrators and expressed support for their cause.

The extent of the Obama administration’s meddling in Ukraine’s politics was breathtaking.
Russian intelligence intercepted and leaked to the international media a Nuland telephone call in which she and U.S. ambassador to Ukraine Geoffey Pyatt discussed in detail their preferences for specific personnel in a post-Yanukovych government. The U.S-favored candidates included Arseniy Yatsenyuk, the man who became prime minister once Yanukovych was ousted from power. During the telephone call, Nuland stated enthusiastically that “Yats is the guy” who would do the best job.

Nuland and Pyatt were engaged in such planning at a time when Yanukovych was still Ukraine’s lawful president. It was startling to have diplomatic representatives of a foreign country—and a country that routinely touts the need to respect democratic processes and the sovereignty of other nations—to be scheming about removing an elected government and replacing it with officials meriting U.S. approval.

Washington’s conduct not only constituted meddling, it bordered on micromanagement.
The two diplomats also were prepared to escalate the already extensive U.S. involvement in Ukraine’s political turbulence . Py
att stated bluntly that “we want to try to get somebody with an international personality to come out here and help to midwife this thing [the political transition].” Nuland clearly had Vice President Joe Biden in mind for that role. Noting that the vice president’s national security adviser was in direct contact with her,
Nuland related that she told him “probably tomorrow for an atta-boy and to get the details to stick. So Biden’s willing.”

Both the Obama administration and most of the American news media portrayed the Euromaidan Revolution as a spontaneous, popular uprising against a corrupt and brutal government.
The Nuland-Pyatt telephone conversation and other actions confirm that the United States was considerably more than a passive observer to the turbulence. Instead, U.S. officials were blatantly meddling in Ukraine. Such conduct was utterly improper.
The United States had no right to try to orchestrate political outcomes in another country—especially one on the border of another great power.
It is no wonder that Russia reacted badly to the unconstitutional ouster of an elected, pro-Russian government—an ouster that occurred not only with Washington’s blessing, but apparently with its assistance.
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gawd, pure unadulterated Soviet propaganda

go fuck yourself comrade
 
If it concerns Russia in any way then it will be Ukrainians being urged by the US to attempt an act of aggression.

And in this instance, it was deliberately planned to raise Poroshenko's chances in the coming election in which it was predicted he would lose.
 
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McCain with Svobado leaders at Independence Square -Kyiv

‘Fuck the EU,’ frustrated Nuland says to Pyatt
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U.S. Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland passes out food to EuroMaidan protesters on Independence Square, as U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine Geoffrey Pyatt looks on nearby.
https://www.kyivpost.com/article/co...yatt-in-alleged-leaked-phone-call-336373.html
 
noise said:
America's Ukraine Hypocrisy
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-skeptics/americas-ukraine-hypocrisy-21803

Despite his leadership defects and character flaws, Yanukovych had been duly elected in balloting that international observers considered reasonably free and fair —about the best standard one can hope for outside the mature Western democracies. A decent respect for democratic institutions and procedures meant that he ought to be able to serve out his lawful term as president, which would end in 2016.

Neither the domestic opposition nor Washington and its European Union allies behaved in that fashion.
Instead, Western leaders made it clear that they supported the efforts of demonstrators to force Yanukovych to reverse course and approve the EU agreement or, if he would not do so, to remove the president before his term expired.
Sen. John McCain (R-AZ), the ranking Republican on the Senate Armed Services Committee, went to Kiev to show solidarity with the Euromaidan activists.
McCain dined with opposition leaders, including members of the ultra right-wing Svoboda Party , and later appeared on stage in Maidan Square during a mass rally.
He stood shoulder to shoulder with Svoboda leader Oleg Tyagnibok.

But McCain’s actions were a model of diplomatic restraint compared to the conduct of Victoria Nuland, the assistant secretary of state for European and Eurasian Affairs.
As Ukraine’s political crisis deepened, Nuland and her subordinates became more brazen in favoring the anti-Yanukovych demonstrators. Nuland noted in a speech to the U.S.-Ukraine Foundation on December 13, 2013, that she had traveled to Ukraine three times in the weeks following the start of the demonstrations. Visiting the Maidan on December 5, she handed out cookies to demonstrators and expressed support for their cause.

The extent of the Obama administration’s meddling in Ukraine’s politics was breathtaking.
Russian intelligence intercepted and leaked to the international media a Nuland telephone call in which she and U.S. ambassador to Ukraine Geoffey Pyatt discussed in detail their preferences for specific personnel in a post-Yanukovych government. The U.S-favored candidates included Arseniy Yatsenyuk, the man who became prime minister once Yanukovych was ousted from power. During the telephone call, Nuland stated enthusiastically that “Yats is the guy” who would do the best job.

Nuland and Pyatt were engaged in such planning at a time when Yanukovych was still Ukraine’s lawful president. It was startling to have diplomatic representatives of a foreign country—and a country that routinely touts the need to respect democratic processes and the sovereignty of other nations—to be scheming about removing an elected government and replacing it with officials meriting U.S. approval.

Washington’s conduct not only constituted meddling, it bordered on micromanagement.

Both the Obama administration and most of the American news media portrayed the Euromaidan Revolution as a spontaneous, popular uprising against a corrupt and brutal government.
The Nuland-Pyatt telephone conversation and other actions confirm that the United States was considerably more than a passive observer to the turbulence.
Instead, U.S. officials were blatantly meddling in Ukraine. Such conduct was utterly improper.
The United States had no right to try to orchestrate political outcomes in another country—especially one on the border of another great power.
It is no wonder that Russia reacted badly to the unconstitutional ouster of an elected, pro-Russian government—an ouster that occurred not only with Washington’s blessing, but apparently with its assistance.
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That's exactly what happened and posting the story at least encourages some Americans to read and at least understand what it's all about. Very few will be able to post any kind of reasonable rebuttal.
 
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