Just Say no to Voting

Well most all of what was written about by Jesus was after he was dead.
Paul seemed to write most of the new testament.

He pretty much defined Christianity.

btw Ron Paul was around when Jesus was.
 
Mottleydude said:
No, you're one of the reactionary wing nut Bush supporters who landed us in this mess. We want you punished. We dont' want a balance of power with Democrats. Republicans have prove themselves so untrustworthy of the publics support that we want Democrats in charge of all branches of the national government so that they can punish Republicans.

If your a Republican you had better learn this word today "REFORM"!

Todays election is a referendum against Republican extremism, narrow mindedness, divisiveness and failed policies.

Until the Republican party reforms itself a Republican will have a hard time getting elected dog catcher.
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Yep exactly, "Let's punish the Republicans!", and turn a blind eye to the fact that the Dems have been WORSE on proposing and voting for more spending.
 
KingCondanomation said:
Yep exactly, "Let's punish the Republicans!", and turn a blind eye to the fact that the Dems have been WORSE on proposing and voting for more spending.
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I just wonder what would be wrong with the republican party being the party of Eisenhower again. Why does the Republican party think it is the business of government to save our souls by being against gay marriage, and abortion? Why can't the Republican party be the party of small government, low taxes and staying out of peoples lives in GENERAL? If they did that they would never lose another election and the Dems would become the party of the opposition forever. WHY does the party feel the need to be the evangelical party? The Party of Christ?
 
Socrtease said:
I just wonder what would be wrong with the republican party being the party of Eisenhower again. Why does the Republican party think it is the business of government to save our souls by being against gay marriage, and abortion? Why can't the Republican party be the party of small government, low taxes and staying out of peoples lives in GENERAL? If they did that they would never lose another election and the Dems would become the party of the opposition forever. WHY does the party feel the need to be the evangelical party? The Party of Christ?
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HERE HERE!!! Well said, Soc. This is EXACTLY the sort of thing that republicans have been missing. They abandoned the ideals that they should have been championing. And turned towards knee-jerk reactions against democrats.
 
Socrtease said:
I just wonder what would be wrong with the republican party being the party of Eisenhower again. Why does the Republican party think it is the business of government to save our souls by being against gay marriage, and abortion? Why can't the Republican party be the party of small government, low taxes and staying out of peoples lives in GENERAL? If they did that they would never lose another election and the Dems would become the party of the opposition forever. WHY does the party feel the need to be the evangelical party? The Party of Christ?
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It is hard to create enthusiasm with a platform like that. Fanatics want a crusade and somebody to blame. And without fanatics you have to actually produce results and can't get away with ripping people off. So the parties create cult like obedience so they can continue their crimes.
 
I think it's the cycle of dominance. One party starts to dominate, then they go way over to the extreme end, which allows the other party to dominate.

Obama is a lot closer to the legacy of Eisenhower than McCain is. McCain, who was a respectable moderate in the senate, has run on a far right platform. He has limited the amount of social issues he's talked about, but he's let his aides run wild with talk about gay marriage and abortion. This election may be the beginning of the end of the far right social conservatives influence in the Republican party.

Then again, who knows. They might run Palin/Jindal in '12.
 
RStringfield said:
It is hard to create enthusiasm with a platform like that. Fanatics want a crusade and somebody to blame. And without fanatics you have to actually produce results and can't get away with ripping people off. So the parties create cult like obedience so they can continue their crimes.
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:clink:

Well stated.
 
RStringfield said:
It is hard to create enthusiasm with a platform like that. Fanatics want a crusade and somebody to blame. And without fanatics you have to actually produce results and can't get away with ripping people off. So the parties create cult like obedience so they can continue their crimes.
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I agree with everything here, but if the Republicans did what I suggest, they wouldn't need fanatics anymore. They would have well reasoned members of their party that demanded results and maybe, just maybe, they would produce them.
 
The problem is that without the fanatics the Republicans cannot sell true conservatism to America. We want it now and want it all.
 
Socrtease said:
I just wonder what would be wrong with the republican party being the party of Eisenhower again. Why does the Republican party think it is the business of government to save our souls by being against gay marriage, and abortion?
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Do you think Eisenhower or the Dems were FOR gay marriage or abortion in the 1950's?
The problem is you see social Conservatism as a rabid agenda that is PUSHING, when in reality they are mostly just regular people who are advocating the status quo on tradition.
In other words social conservatives didn't change, society did.

Socrtease said:
Why can't the Republican party be the party of small government, low taxes and staying out of peoples lives in GENERAL? If they did that they would never lose another election and the Dems would become the party of the opposition forever.
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I dunno, I once believed this, I hope you're right, when you look at demographics the fastest growing voting group is Hispanics and they tend to be socially Conservatives and economically Liberal (with the exception of Cuban ones in Florida), so I think this is why both parties are trending to be more authoritarian.
Just a theory, hope I'm wrong.

I also think Sep 11 killed the notion of small government in a large number of Conservatives and moderates, it will take time but that will ebb away...I hope.
 
RStringfield said:
It is hard to create enthusiasm with a platform like that. Fanatics want a crusade and somebody to blame. And without fanatics you have to actually produce results and can't get away with ripping people off. So the parties create cult like obedience so they can continue their crimes.
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There is some truth in that, most people need something to hate, the default is that ends up being the rich unless some other substitution is viable.

"Show me a movement that doesn't hate somebody and I will join it at once." – Robert Anton Wilson
 
Socrtease said:
I agree with everything here, but if the Republicans did what I suggest, they wouldn't need fanatics anymore. They would have well reasoned members of their party that demanded results and maybe, just maybe, they would produce them.
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Well it's important to note as well that (again from voting records) the strongest fiscal Conservatives are often the strongest social Conservatives. Ron Paul types being the rare exceptions.
The next generation there is more to hope from I think though.
 
KingCondanomation said:
There is some truth in that, most people need something to hate, the default is that ends up being the rich unless some other substitution is viable.
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LOL.

There are populist liberals, and the liberals who are financially rather well off. I usually identify more with the latter. The upper-class votes rather solidly liberal.

Which is somewhat of an irony - the upper class and middle class vote with each other, and the middle class votes against itself. But I don't hate them at all. I agree with them when they say that they aren't going to be hurt too bad and they wouldn't move because Obama increased the top marginal rate by 3%.
 
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