Juan Williams on Martin case...

Superfreak said:
Give me a break. You are missing the point of Williams piece. He agrees that Zimmerman should have been arrested and sitting in jail while the investigation goes on. The question he is asking is why people (especially those in the black community) aren't confronting those other issues that lead to the perception of black men being dangerous. You know, that very perception that led to the confrontation in the Zimmerman case.
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You gotta keep it simple SF, if you expect any reasonable or rational response from these people....
 
Superfreak said:
Give me a break. You are missing the point of Williams piece. He agrees that Zimmerman should have been arrested and sitting in jail while the investigation goes on. The question he is asking is why people (especially those in the black community) aren't confronting those other issues that lead to the perception of black men being dangerous. You know, that very perception that led to the confrontation in the Zimmerman case.
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If only there were a person with high media visibility that could use his or her platform to highlight these issues at times other than when tragedy strikes. Do you thin Juan Williams, a FOXNews contributor, knows anyone that has a high media presence and could do it?
 
Superfreak said:
Give me a break. You are missing the point of Williams piece. He agrees that Zimmerman should have been arrested and sitting in jail while the investigation goes on. The question he is asking is why people (especially those in the black community) aren't confronting those other issues that lead to the perception of black men being dangerous. You know, that very perception that led to the confrontation in the Zimmerman case.
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I would argue that black leaders in America have dedicated their lives to improving the state of education, the conditions in inner cities & the advancement of opportunities for minorities everywhere. In that respect, I really don't get what he's talking about.

It's just kind of bogus, Yurt-lite stuff - how come Sharpton isn't protesting here, or there? The Zimmerman case is a media case - there is compelling audio, and a FL law that appears ambiguous to boot. There are a lot of factors as to why this particular case is getting this kind of attention. But it doesn't mean that black leaders are ignoring the plight of the black community in general.
 
Onceler said:
I would argue that black leaders in America have dedicated their lives to improving the state of education, the conditions in inner cities & the advancement of opportunities for minorities everywhere. In that respect, I really don't get what he's talking about.

It's just kind of bogus, Yurt-lite stuff - how come Sharpton isn't protesting here, or there? The Zimmerman case is a media case - there is compelling audio, and a FL law that appears ambiguous to boot. There are a lot of factors as to why this particular case is getting this kind of attention. But it doesn't mean that black leaders are ignoring the plight of the black community in general.
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That is a bit absurd. Have poverty rates changed among blacks? Single moms? High School graduation rates? Black on black crime rates? None of those has improved. Their actions don't indicate that they care about anything more than their own self publicity. They rush to cases like the Duke Lacrosse team, like the Martin case, because they can get up in front and show us 'how much they care'.

Almost one half of the nation's murder victims that year were black and a majority of them were between the ages of 17 and 29. Black people accounted for 13% of the total U.S. population in 2005. Yet they were the victims of 49% of all the nation's murders. And 93% of black murder victims were killed by other black people, according to the same report.

Less than half of black students graduate from high school. The education system's failure is often a jail sentence or even a death sentence. The Orlando Sentinel has reported that 17-year-old Martin was recently suspended from his high school. According to the U.S. Department of Education's Civil Rights Office, in the 2006-07 school year, 22% of all black and Hispanic K-12 students were suspended at least once (as compared to 5% of whites).

This year 22% of blacks live below the poverty line and a shocking 72% of black babies are born to unwed mothers. The national unemployment rate for black people increased last month to over 13%, nearly five points above the average for all Americans.

The killing of any child is a tragedy. But where are the protests regarding the larger problems facing black America?
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Please tell me though what you think is 'bogus' about asking the final question above?
 
I think the Jesse Jackson quote in the piece was compelling. I never liked Jackson. Like Damo, I consider Juan Williams a reasonable liberal. I hate how he gets treated sometimes on some of the Fox programs. But to have a man like Jesse Jackson utter those words, expressing that sentiment...just wow. I have never lived in a city and don't frequent them often, thus I am not around a lot of black folks. The ones that I am around are in church or in my circle of bass tournament buddies. They come to my house, I to theirs and so on. Some of them are really good friends of mine, some of them I consider to be brothers. So I can truly say that I have never been in a situation described by Mr. Jackson. The infrequent times I do go to cities I only feel "relief" when I leave.

This case is definitely something. I am on a community watch committee and do patrol from time to time. I carry a gun wherever I go, whether on watch or not. If I ever got into a physical altercation my gun would not come out unless I feared for my life or the life of a loved one. Unfortunately I don't think we'll ever have all of the facts in this case. I can see why there are people who would have this man arrested immediately and I can also see why the officers didn't arrest him. Overwhelmingly in it all I see a tragedy of a young man who lost his life and a family grieving that loss. But even through it all, I can see Juan William's point and can only wonder what the answer is. I know that I am incapable of solving something that I know so little about.
 
Aoxomoxoa said:
It seems to be a very fair minded article.
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Williams is a moderate Dem. I don't usually agree with much of what he writes/says, but it did seem a compelling piece with very valid points. He wasn't trying to minimize the Martin case, but rather bring into focus larger issues that should be discussed. Not just by the black community, but by all of us.
 
Onceler said:
I would argue that black leaders in America have dedicated their lives to improving the state of education, the conditions in inner cities & the advancement of opportunities for minorities everywhere. In that respect, I really don't get what he's talking about.

It's just kind of bogus, Yurt-lite stuff - how come Sharpton isn't protesting here, or there? The Zimmerman case is a media case - there is compelling audio, and a FL law that appears ambiguous to boot. There are a lot of factors as to why this particular case is getting this kind of attention. But it doesn't mean that black leaders are ignoring the plight of the black community in general.
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He would have condemned Martin Luther King and yelled for the cruxifiction of Jesus, the way he is acting lately, and Damo and Popeye would be cheering him on.
 
Rana said:
He would have condemned Martin Luther King and yelled for the cruxifiction of Jesus, the way he is acting lately, and Damo and Popeye would be cheering him on.
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LOL... I see the angry liberals are still at it. Who precisely would be yelling the above? Are you still mad that you all looked so foolish in your characterizations of Libertarians?
 
Damocles said:
Wow. I've always found him to be a thoughtful liberal. That NPR fired him notwithstanding. The guy isn't a schill for Fox.
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Why isn't Juan organizing these marches? It seems you want to change things for blacks you take a stance instead of just writing columns. I have no doubt in my mind that Jesse and Al work very hard to change things for the better. They realize that black on black crime is serious, but they do something about it instead of just talking.
 
Crashk said:
Lol, Token Williams speaks! LOL!
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How racist of you. Funny how the liberals on the board can only attack Williams. Apparently the black man is only allowed to speak if he agrees to toe the Liberal line. Amazing how the liberals cannot address the actual article. The only one from the left that did was Onceler. Coincidence that he is the most moderate of the group? I think not.
 
Rana said:
I know, speaking of disappointments. I wonder what Goodman thinks of him now?
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Another racist that proclaims Williams is just a 'token' because he dares speak an opinion or viewpoint that does not toe the liberal line. Get back in line Williams... your masta's getting angry.
 
All minority parents fear that children who embrace "gangsta" fashion, tattoos and a thug attitude will be prejudged as criminal.

Apparently Juan hasn't watched too many pro or college basketball games where these fine young men wear hoodies and are all tatted up! it isn't just for ganstas anymore.
 
Rana said:
Why isn't Juan organizing these marches? It seems you want to change things for blacks you take a stance instead of just writing columns. I have no doubt in my mind that Jesse and Al work very hard to change things for the better. They realize that black on black crime is serious, but they do something about it instead of just talking.
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Because when Williams speaks up on these things he is denounced as a 'token' and demeaned by liberals?

As for Jackson and Sharpton... what exactly have they done to reduce black on black crime? Please highlight some examples.
 
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