𝗝𝗼𝗻 𝗦𝘁𝗲𝘄𝗮𝗿𝘁: "𝗪𝗵𝗲𝗻 𝗱𝗶𝗱 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗿𝗶𝗴𝗵𝘁 𝗯𝗲𝗰𝗼𝗺𝗲 𝘀𝘂𝗰𝗵 𝗳**𝗸𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝗽𝘂**𝗶𝗲𝘀???"

[Monad Portal]

^^^
Says the poor, dimwitted who still bitches about Hillary Clinton and Obama. Sad to see you dying without honor, Terry.

Clintons gave military secrets to china.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Clintons gave military secrets to china.

But not before taking millions in bribe money from China. They expected to be paid their quid pro quo in full.

 

[Jake Starkey]

Stop hiding behind the Constitution. If trump was a real and imminent threat to democracy like you claimed for four years, inaction on your part would have destroyed democracy and the Constitution so any action in defense of democracy and the Constitution that would have been morally just if not legal. But you did nothing and now seek protection from the very document and process that you claim trump was going to destroy. You people have no integrity whatsoever.

You do not get logic. And with the statement, you condemn yourself and your ilk. Since you see constitutional democracy as a hinderance to your group's desire to take over America, your blurb above gives you away.

Pence's refusal to follow Trump's endorsement to corrupt counting the electoral votes was one of the great moments in American history.

 

[Jake Starkey]

What? Kamala has never received a single primary delegate. Not one.

Au contraire, she was rewarded the primaries, therefore the votes.

 

[Jake Starkey]

That the best you can do? That's a shitload of rhetoric, empty jargon, and meaningless drivel.

<snip>

Got any proof other than your empty claim that ICE is carrying out "...warrantless searches and detain/arrest people without probable cause?"

Yes. Multiple federal judges, investigations, and documented incidents show that ICE has, at various points, carried out warrantless searches and detained people without probable cause, in violation of the Fourth Amendment.

The evidence comes from court rulings, consent‑decree enforcement actions, and independent investigations.

 

[Jake Starkey]

A federal judge in Chicago found that ICE violated a binding consent decree by arresting at least 22 people without warrants or probable cause during the early weeks of Trump’s second term. The court extended the decree and ordered ICE to retrain officers and disclose all warrantless arrests monthly.

Another ruling confirmed that ICE agents had repeatedly made warrantless arrests in violation of the same decree, prompting further judicial restrictions.

2. Investigations show ICE conducted unconstitutional searches and seizures​

A detailed 2026 investigative report found that during “Operation Metro Surge” in Minnesota, ICE and other federal agents systematically broke Fourth Amendment rules, including:

• Entering homes without proper warrants
• Conducting searches without probable cause
• Detaining U.S. citizens and immigrants unlawfully

The report concluded that constitutional protections “weren’t bent… they appear to have been abandoned entirely.”

What this means legally​

ICE does have certain civil‑immigration authorities that differ from criminal law enforcement, but:

• The Fourth Amendment still applies,
• ICE must have probable cause for arrests, and
• Judicial warrants or administrative warrants must be used within constitutional limits.

Federal judges have repeatedly emphasized that ICE is not exempt from constitutional constraints.

immigrantjustice.org/press-release/federal-judge-extends-consent-decree-prohibiting-ice-from-arresting-people-without-warrants-or-probable-cause/?utm_source=copilot.com

 

[Jake Starkey]

Really? How? How were Harris and (Hillary) Clinton "better than Trump?"

Step off, you intellectual shrimp. When have you ever showed how Trump was better than his "betters"?

 

[Yakuda]

What I see there is just another cheesey, sneaky, slimy, underhanded attempt to justify what your fellow MAGAssholes did on January 6, 2021.

Trying to create a flimsy, thinly veiled excuse and line of bullshit reasoning that no sane, normally intelligent adult would ever believe anyway.

Fail.

And proof also, that they wrongly assume everyone else is as fucking gullible and stupid as they are.

Again whatever happened on j6 is irrelevant. To say trump poses an existential threat to democracy, by definition, means you believed he was going to destroy democracy if he took power. If you sincerely and genuinely believed that to be true but did nothing to prevent the destruction of democracy then you either lied or don't care about democracy. If there was ever a time to violate the law, preventing the destruction of democracy would have been a good time to do it but you did nothing. It has nothing to do with J6. The problem is you've painted yourself into a corner and you look more ridiculous than usual.

 

[Yakuda]

The Left, here or anywhere else, can't explain what that "existential threat to democracy" Trump poses actually is. Instead, you get vague drivel peppered with buzz words and jargon posing as supposed 'factual' evidence.

Absolutely right! Somebody used the phrase, they heard it and they thought, wow that sounds really really really bad and since it's about trump then it MUST be true. No one of them knows what it means.

 

[Yakuda]

Step off, you intellectual shrimp. When have you ever showed how Trump was better than his "betters"?

So you can't address the question. I wish I could say i was surprised. Oh wait, let me guess if you have to tell us then we wouldnt underground anyway. That's about it isnt it?

 

[Yakuda]

You do not get logic. And with the statement, you condemn yourself and your ilk. Since you see constitutional democracy as a hinderance to your group's desire to take over America, your blurb above gives you away.

Pence's refusal to follow Trump's endorsement to corrupt counting the electoral votes was one of the great moments in American history.

You need to address your actions or in this case inaction. What other people do or don't do is irrelevant you your decisions. Let's lay it out slowly for you:

Trump poses an "existential" (I put quotes because it would be helpful if you knew what that meant) to democracy
Trump the "existential" threat to democracy gets re-elected.
Leftists do nothing after claiming for four years that trump poses an "existential" threat to democracy.
Therefore the left either (a) never actually believed he was an "existential" threat to democracy and said it just for political theater or (b) they lied.

 

[Nomad]

What "illegal, unconstitutional, and dictatorial methods" would those be? How about say, two or three examples?


What sort of "democracy" are you describing here?



Let's see how baffled you are providing some factual examples and answers that aren't chockablock with buzzwords, slogans, and drivel.

j6 was a fed entrapment event.

that's why everyone is free now and they destroyed all their committee work papers.


total sham.

Of course, because that's what you've been instructed to see.

Exactly, that's why nobody ever believes a word you people say. You don't even believe what you say.

Agreed, you fail.


The likes of you referring to anyone else as gullible is truly rich. You can't make this shit up.

pence has the right and duty to set aside fraudulent results.

he was a failure.

That the best you can do? That's a shitload of rhetoric, empty jargon, and meaningless drivel.

"Almost everything he does signals some intention to subvert the democratic process..."

That has to be the most meaningless, empty, mindless drivel ever posted on this board. It is devoid of facts and even claims that you are mindreading Trump's intentions. It's beyond absurd. Trump is for passing the SAVE act requiring voter ID when registering to vote and when voting. How does that "subvert the democratic process?" On the other hand, Democrats are in lockstep trying to stop that from happening. They seem to be the ones hell bent on subverting the democratic process.

Yea, Trump tried real hard to get Pence to throw an election... Do you know how absurd you sound there?

Which domestic policies did he use the military to enforce? That's an empty answer you gave.

Oh, talking smack about Canada and Greenland are now some actual threat by Trump?

"...untrained ICE thugs..."

ICE Training School Program | Requirements for Federal Law Enforcement Jobs

www.federallawenforcement.org

Got any proof other than your empty claim that ICE is carrying out "...warrantless searches and detain/arrest people without probable cause?"

Again whatever happened on j6 is irrelevant. To say trump poses an existential threat to democracy, by definition, means you believed he was going to destroy democracy if he took power. If you sincerely and genuinely believed that to be true but did nothing to prevent the destruction of democracy then you either lied or don't care about democracy. If there was ever a time to violate the law, preventing the destruction of democracy would have been a good time to do it but you did nothing. It has nothing to do with J6. The problem is you've painted yourself into a corner and you look more ridiculous than usual.

Every last one of you MAGA scum ...



Lying blind MAGA assholes to boot.

You lie right out of your blind assholes.

Bent over and always ready to lick trump's boots.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

A federal judge in Chicago found that ICE violated a binding consent decree by arresting at least 22 people without warrants or probable cause during the early weeks of Trump’s second term. The court extended the decree and ordered ICE to retrain officers and disclose all warrantless arrests monthly.

And was summarily overturned in less than a month.

Judge overreached in ordering hundreds of illegal immigrants released

CHICAGO - A Biden-appointed Chicago federal judge went too far in using a deal struck between the Biden administration and pro-immigrant activists to issue a sweeping order requiring immigration enforcement

www.legalnewsline.com

So, a Biden appointed, Trump hating judge, rules against ICE only to be smacked down by the Appeals Court almost immediately for a political decision rather than a legal one.

Another ruling confirmed that ICE agents had repeatedly made warrantless arrests in violation of the same decree, prompting further judicial restrictions.

This only applies in Oregon on the ruling of one judge, and there are many exceptions within her ruling that allow them to still do so.

ICE agents can't make warrantless arrests in Oregon unless there's a risk of escape, US judge rules

A judge says U.S. immigration agents in Oregon must stop arresting people without warrants unless they are likely to escape. U.S.

apnews.com

2. Investigations show ICE conducted unconstitutional searches and seizures
A detailed 2026 investigative report found that during “Operation Metro Surge” in Minnesota, ICE and other federal agents systematically broke Fourth Amendment rules, including:

• Entering homes without proper warrants
• Conducting searches without probable cause
• Detaining U.S. citizens and immigrants unlawfully

The report concluded that constitutional protections “weren’t bent… they appear to have been abandoned entirely.”

What "investigations?"

I can find several by highly partisan Leftist groups like the American Immigration Council claiming that, but little to nothing that is objective or factual.

How ICE Went Rogue: Analysis of the Legal Authorities Governing ICE - American Immigration Council

A detailed analysis of how ICE and CBP have expanded their powers through unlawful traffic stops, pedestrian sweeps, home raids, and warrantless arrests — and how Trump‑era policies are undermining legal protections and accountability.

www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org

What this means legally
ICE does have certain civil‑immigration authorities that differ from criminal law enforcement, but:

• The Fourth Amendment still applies,
• ICE must have probable cause for arrests, and
• Judicial warrants or administrative warrants must be used within constitutional limits.

Federal judges have repeatedly emphasized that ICE is not exempt from constitutional constraints.

immigrantjustice.org/press-release/federal-judge-extends-consent-decree-prohibiting-ice-from-arresting-people-without-warrants-or-probable-cause/?utm_source=copilot.com

So, you single sourced your answer from a highly biased, openly biased, radical Leftist group Immigrationjustice.org

Home - Immigration Justice Campaign

We believe in a society that sees migration as a tool for liberation and prizes the dignity and humanity of all people.

immigrationjustice.us

and expect that to be the end of the discussion. It isn't.

 

[Yakuda]

Every last one of you MAGA scum ...

View attachment 74586

Lying blind MAGA assholes to boot.

You lie right out of your blind assholes.

Bent over and always ready to lick trump's boots.

LMFAO

So you're lame ass argument is you weren't going to do anything illegal to prevent trump from taking office because you didn't want to violate the Constitution you believe he was going to destroy?

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Step off, you intellectual shrimp. When have you ever showed how Trump was better than his "betters"?

I don't have to here. The issue at hand is one YOU brought up to which I directed my question. What I think about Trump, or Harris and Clinton, is irrelevant to the discussion when it is YOU claiming Harris and Clinton are much better than Trump. I asked you to explain how that is. You haven't.

 

[Yakuda]

And was summarily overturned in less than a month.

Judge overreached in ordering hundreds of illegal immigrants released

CHICAGO - A Biden-appointed Chicago federal judge went too far in using a deal struck between the Biden administration and pro-immigrant activists to issue a sweeping order requiring immigration enforcement

www.legalnewsline.com

So, a Biden appointed, Trump hating judge, rules against ICE only to be smacked down by the Appeals Court almost immediately for a political decision rather than a legal one.


This only applies in Oregon on the ruling of one judge, and there are many exceptions within her ruling that allow them to still do so.

ICE agents can't make warrantless arrests in Oregon unless there's a risk of escape, US judge rules

A judge says U.S. immigration agents in Oregon must stop arresting people without warrants unless they are likely to escape. U.S.

apnews.com

What "investigations?"

I can find several by highly partisan Leftist groups like the American Immigration Council claiming that, but little to nothing that is objective or factual.

How ICE Went Rogue: Analysis of the Legal Authorities Governing ICE - American Immigration Council

A detailed analysis of how ICE and CBP have expanded their powers through unlawful traffic stops, pedestrian sweeps, home raids, and warrantless arrests — and how Trump‑era policies are undermining legal protections and accountability.

www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org

So, you single sourced your answer from a highly biased, openly biased, radical Leftist group Immigrationjustice.org

Home - Immigration Justice Campaign

We believe in a society that sees migration as a tool for liberation and prizes the dignity and humanity of all people.

immigrationjustice.us

and expect that to be the end of the discussion. It isn't.

Correct! The left uses the judiciary for political purposes not judicial

 

[Yakuda]

I don't have to here. The issue at hand is one YOU brought up to which I directed my question. What I think about Trump, or Harris and Clinton, is irrelevant to the discussion when it is YOU claiming Harris and Clinton are much better than Trump. I asked you to explain how that is. You haven't.

You mean, can't

 

[T. A. Gardner]

You mean, can't

I can, I doubt Jake Snarkly can

 

[Yakuda]

Every last one of you MAGA scum ...

View attachment 74586

Lying blind MAGA assholes to boot.

You lie right out of your blind assholes.

Bent over and always ready to lick trump's boots.

So let me get this straight, we lie out of our "blind" assholes even though we apparently have an eye in our assholes?

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Again whatever happened on j6 is irrelevant. To say trump poses an existential threat to democracy, by definition, means you believed he was going to destroy democracy if he took power. If you sincerely and genuinely believed that to be true but did nothing to prevent the destruction of democracy then you either lied or don't care about democracy. If there was ever a time to violate the law, preventing the destruction of democracy would have been a good time to do it but you did nothing. It has nothing to do with J6. The problem is you've painted yourself into a corner and you look more ridiculous than usual.

...but Obama wearing a beige suit is relevant, Yak? You're an unrepentant sinner and will get what is coming to you.