It’s official — trickle-down economics is bunk.

I think you completely misunderstood his post. He's a "nationalist" whatever the hell that is. He does not support Republicans economically. He's a Bernie Saunders anti-trade redistributionist type.

i do support the trickle down part cuz it did work. There were many jobs created. We just have to add the nationalist part to force the jobs to be created in the US. Then those jobs give birth to other jobs :)

Maybe it should not be a blanket tax cut but one based on how many new jobs you create in US or something like that.
 
"i do support the trickle down part cuz it did work." 81

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Disability and welfare rolls grew higher under Obama, his attempt to turn America into a ghetto almost succeeded.
 
"Disability and welfare rolls grew higher under Obama, his attempt to turn America into a ghetto almost succeeded." dd #84
“... Reince Priebus, the Republican National Chairman today said that 300K jobs ... aught to be expected every month ... and just a historical perspective:
- during the 8 years of President Bush (younger) there were 2.1 million net jobs created in the United States. Of the 2.1 million, 1.8 million of them were in the public sector ... that means there were 300,000 jobs in the private sector in 8 months, in 8 years rather, net ...
more jobs have been created in the United States in the last 4 years than in Europe, Japan, all the industrialized modern world combined. ...
70 years since WWII. 36 years of Republican presidents, 34 years of Democratic presidents. In those 70 years, there were 36.7 million jobs created under Republican presidents ... a little over half the time. In 34 years there were 63.7 million created by Democrats. That's 29 million more. You know, perhaps it's an accident once, or twice or what. But I mean at some point the Democrats ought to be comfort in the fact that they have been better the economy and job creation than have been the opposition.
...
It's 15 years since we've had 10 consecutive months of over 200,000 [job growth]. Just 15 years ago there was a fella from Arkansas ... there were more jobs created in Bill Clinton's 8 years than there were in Ronald Reagan's 8 years, and the 12 years of both Bush's combined. I mean 6 million more jobs created in those 8 years, ... policy does kick in, & is reflected in the results.” Mark Shields
"As I was preparing to take office, the unemployment rate was on its way to 10 percent. Today, it’s at 4.6 percent -- the lowest in nearly a decade. We’ve seen the longest streak of job growth on record, and wages have grown faster over the past few years than at any time in the past 40.

When I came into office, 44 million people were uninsured. Today, we’ve covered more than 20 million of them. For the first time in our history, more than 90 percent of Americans are insured. In fact, yesterday was the biggest day ever for HealthCare.gov. More than 670,000 Americans signed up to get covered, and more are signing up by the day.

We’ve cut our dependence on foreign oil by more than half, doubled production of renewable energy, enacted the most sweeping reforms since FDR to protect consumers and prevent a crisis on Wall Street from punishing Main Street ever again. None of these actions stifled growth, as critics predicted. Instead, the stock market has nearly tripled. Since I signed Obamacare into law, our businesses have added more than 15 million new jobs. And the economy is undoubtedly more durable than it was in the days when we relied on oil from unstable nations and banks took risky bets with your money.

Add it all up, and last year, the poverty rate fell at the fastest rate in almost 50 years, while the median household income grew at the fastest rate on record. In fact, income gains were actually larger for households at the bottom and the middle than for those at the top. And we’ve done all this while cutting our deficits by nearly two-thirds and protecting vital investments that grow the middle class.

In foreign policy, when I came into office, we were in the midst of two wars. Now, nearly 180,000 troops are down to 15,000. Bin Laden, rather than being at large, has been taken off the battlefield, along with thousands of other terrorists. Over the past eight years, no foreign terrorist organization has successfully executed an attack on our homeland that was directed from overseas.

Through diplomacy, we’ve ensured that Iran cannot obtain a nuclear weapon -- without going to war with Iran. We opened up a new chapter with the people of Cuba. And we brought nearly 200 nations together around a climate agreement that could very well save this planet for our kids. And almost every country on Earth sees America as stronger and more respected today than they did eight years ago.

In other words, by so many measures, our country is stronger and more prosperous than it was when we started. That's a situation that I’m proud to leave for my successor. And it’s thanks to the American people -- to the hard work that you’ve put in, the sacrifices you’ve made for your families and your communities, the businesses that you started or invested in, the way you looked out for one another. And I could not be prouder to be your President." President Obama 16/12/16


Nope.
Nothing about a failed attempt to turn America into a ghetto.

Nice try though dd.
 
"Disability and welfare rolls grew higher under Obama, his attempt to turn America into a ghetto almost succeeded." dd #84

"As I was preparing to take office, the unemployment rate was on its way to 10 percent. Today, it’s at 4.6 percent -- the lowest in nearly a decade. We’ve seen the longest streak of job growth on record, and wages have grown faster over the past few years than at any time in the past 40.

When I came into office, 44 million people were uninsured. Today, we’ve covered more than 20 million of them. For the first time in our history, more than 90 percent of Americans are insured. In fact, yesterday was the biggest day ever for HealthCare.gov. More than 670,000 Americans signed up to get covered, and more are signing up by the day.

We’ve cut our dependence on foreign oil by more than half, doubled production of renewable energy, enacted the most sweeping reforms since FDR to protect consumers and prevent a crisis on Wall Street from punishing Main Street ever again. None of these actions stifled growth, as critics predicted. Instead, the stock market has nearly tripled. Since I signed Obamacare into law, our businesses have added more than 15 million new jobs. And the economy is undoubtedly more durable than it was in the days when we relied on oil from unstable nations and banks took risky bets with your money.

Add it all up, and last year, the poverty rate fell at the fastest rate in almost 50 years, while the median household income grew at the fastest rate on record. In fact, income gains were actually larger for households at the bottom and the middle than for those at the top. And we’ve done all this while cutting our deficits by nearly two-thirds and protecting vital investments that grow the middle class.

In foreign policy, when I came into office, we were in the midst of two wars. Now, nearly 180,000 troops are down to 15,000. Bin Laden, rather than being at large, has been taken off the battlefield, along with thousands of other terrorists. Over the past eight years, no foreign terrorist organization has successfully executed an attack on our homeland that was directed from overseas.

Through diplomacy, we’ve ensured that Iran cannot obtain a nuclear weapon -- without going to war with Iran. We opened up a new chapter with the people of Cuba. And we brought nearly 200 nations together around a climate agreement that could very well save this planet for our kids. And almost every country on Earth sees America as stronger and more respected today than they did eight years ago.

In other words, by so many measures, our country is stronger and more prosperous than it was when we started. That's a situation that I’m proud to leave for my successor. And it’s thanks to the American people -- to the hard work that you’ve put in, the sacrifices you’ve made for your families and your communities, the businesses that you started or invested in, the way you looked out for one another. And I could not be prouder to be your President." President Obama 16/12/16


Nope.
Nothing about a failed attempt to turn America into a ghetto.

Nice try though dd.

We all know if there's one person who is going to be honest about their record it's the President themselves
 
Zippy, trickle down does not mean "golden shower".
Hey there, people, I'm Bobby Brown
They say I'm the cutest boy in town
My car is fast, my teeth is shiney
I tell all the girls they can kiss my heinie
Here I am at a famous school
I'm dressin'sharp 'n' I'm
Actin' cool
I got a cheerleader here wants to help with my paper
Let her do all the work 'n' maybe later I'll rape her
Oh God I am the American dream
I do not think I'm too extreme
An' I'm a handsome sonofabitch
I'm gonna get a good job 'n' be real rich

Women's Liberation
Came creepin' across the nation
I tell you people, I was not ready
When I fucked this dyke by the name of Freddie
She made a little speech then,
Aw, she tried to make me say when
She had my balls in a vice, but she left the dick
I guess it's still hooked on, but now it shoots too quick
Oh God I am the American dream
But now I smell like Vaseline
An' I'm a miserable sonofabitch
Am I a boy or a lady... I don't know which

So I went out 'n' bought me a leisure suit
I jingle my change, but I'm still kinda cute
Got a job doin' radio promo
And none of the jocks can even tell I'm a homo
Eventually me 'nd a friend
Sorta of drifted along into S&M
I can take about an hour on the tower of power
As long as I get a little golden shower
Oh God I am the American dream
With a spindle up my butt till it makes me scream
An' I'll do anything to get ahead
I lay awake nights sayin,' "Thank you, Fred!"
Oh God, Oh God, I'm so fantastic!
Thanks to Freddie, I'm a sexual spastic
And my name is Bobby Brown
Watch me now; I'm goin' down,
And my name is Bobby Brown
Watch me now; I'm goin' down, [etc.]
 
the entire world proves trickle down works. The rich in the US were given tax cuts and they immediatly created jobs in low wage areas like the philippines china india etc.

Just look at how incomes have risen for the very top and the very bottom in the world.

So Republicans have been LYING to voters for decades.

They told us tax cuts for the rich would translate to jobs for the middle class.
 
"Disability and welfare rolls grew higher under Obama, his attempt to turn America into a ghetto almost succeeded." dd #84

"As I was preparing to take office, the unemployment rate was on its way to 10 percent. Today, it’s at 4.6 percent -- the lowest in nearly a decade. We’ve seen the longest streak of job growth on record, and wages have grown faster over the past few years than at any time in the past 40.

When I came into office, 44 million people were uninsured. Today, we’ve covered more than 20 million of them. For the first time in our history, more than 90 percent of Americans are insured. In fact, yesterday was the biggest day ever for HealthCare.gov. More than 670,000 Americans signed up to get covered, and more are signing up by the day.

We’ve cut our dependence on foreign oil by more than half, doubled production of renewable energy, enacted the most sweeping reforms since FDR to protect consumers and prevent a crisis on Wall Street from punishing Main Street ever again. None of these actions stifled growth, as critics predicted. Instead, the stock market has nearly tripled. Since I signed Obamacare into law, our businesses have added more than 15 million new jobs. And the economy is undoubtedly more durable than it was in the days when we relied on oil from unstable nations and banks took risky bets with your money.

Add it all up, and last year, the poverty rate fell at the fastest rate in almost 50 years, while the median household income grew at the fastest rate on record. In fact, income gains were actually larger for households at the bottom and the middle than for those at the top. And we’ve done all this while cutting our deficits by nearly two-thirds and protecting vital investments that grow the middle class.

In foreign policy, when I came into office, we were in the midst of two wars. Now, nearly 180,000 troops are down to 15,000. Bin Laden, rather than being at large, has been taken off the battlefield, along with thousands of other terrorists. Over the past eight years, no foreign terrorist organization has successfully executed an attack on our homeland that was directed from overseas.

Through diplomacy, we’ve ensured that Iran cannot obtain a nuclear weapon -- without going to war with Iran. We opened up a new chapter with the people of Cuba. And we brought nearly 200 nations together around a climate agreement that could very well save this planet for our kids. And almost every country on Earth sees America as stronger and more respected today than they did eight years ago.

In other words, by so many measures, our country is stronger and more prosperous than it was when we started. That's a situation that I’m proud to leave for my successor. And it’s thanks to the American people -- to the hard work that you’ve put in, the sacrifices you’ve made for your families and your communities, the businesses that you started or invested in, the way you looked out for one another. And I could not be prouder to be your President." President Obama 16/12/16


Nope.
Nothing about a failed attempt to turn America into a ghetto.

Nice try though dd.

I continue to be amazed at how willfully ignorant conservatives refuse to acknowledge the simple truths you posted.

Rightie attempts to "pooh pooh" the recovery under Obama amount to sour grapes.

Maybe the recovery wasn't quite as robust as what we experienced in the 90's, but then, Clinton didn't have to deal with the level of obstructionism Obama had to endure.
 
I continue to be amazed at how willfully ignorant conservatives refuse to acknowledge the simple truths you posted.

Rightie attempts to "pooh pooh" the recovery under Obama amount to sour grapes.

Maybe the recovery wasn't quite as robust as what we experienced in the 90's, but then, Clinton didn't have to deal with the level of obstructionism Obama had to endure.

There is no recovery under Obama. It's too bad you said this, I do agree with you on trickle down, it's bullshit, but then you went on to extol the virtues of Obama and you fucked it all up.
 
I continue to be amazed at how willfully ignorant conservatives refuse to acknowledge the simple truths you posted.

Rightie attempts to "pooh pooh" the recovery under Obama amount to sour grapes.

Maybe the recovery wasn't quite as robust as what we experienced in the 90's, but then, Clinton didn't have to deal with the level of obstructionism Obama had to endure.

Not everyone is a partisan hack Zap. People study economics and economic history and you can compare recoveries and this hasn't been a good one historically speaking
 
"We all know if there's one person who is going to be honest about their record it's the President themselves" c #86
Didn't Trump recently declare his electoral college victory over Hillary -the greatest political victory in history- or some such similar superlative nonsense?

Obama didn't say:
- My administration has been very, very good. Believe me! -

Obama listed numerically QUANTIFIABLE criteria of his successes; criteria I have not read challenged in any press, anywhere on the political spectrum.

BUT !!

If you mean to imply you think Obama lied; please:

a) quote the alleged lie, and

b) post your proposed correction, with source if applicable.

Thanks.
 
Sear, if you haven't read reports on the economic recovery then that's on you. You've chosen not to. The info is out there
 
If you mean to imply you think Obama lied; please:

a) quote the alleged lie,

"If you like you doctor you can keep him." G #94.
Thanks G.

Here's the official White House link to that specific news conference.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2016/12/16/press-conference-president

I did a character string search for "doctor" within the full body of the official WH transcript.

I got 6 hits for the word "doctor".

All six were in reference to a rare medical emergency among the press corps, during the conference.

Not one of them was about Obama's perceived success or failure regarding ACA.

In addition, not all falsehoods are lies.

I recall Obama saying approximately:
- If you like your plan, you can keep your plan. -

I gather for some that turned out to not be the case. (though it was for me. I'm w/ VA both then & now)

But Obama may have intended that to be true; but Pelosi didn't wish to, or was unable to deliver.

Let's cut to the chase.
You now have the link to the full, official White House transcript from that conference.

I offer you a second bite of the apple.

If you can quote a single assertion from it which you deem to be a lie; i'll strongly reconsider my position.

But I'm not aware Obama is significantly less honest than any other living president. If you can prove that wrong; I sincerely hope you will do so persuasively and promptly. Thanks.

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"Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt, that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised."
U.S. President Bush (the younger) televised address to the U.S. March 17th, 2003
That is an out & out unambiguous lie.

An absolute falsehood cannot possibly be a certitude. BUSH LIED!

And Thousands Died as a result.
 
But I'm not aware Obama is significantly less honest than any other living president.

"Then you're a moron." G #98
If "moron" is a synonym for scientist, then yes indeed I am.
I deal with quantifications.

Obama-bashers squeal like stuck pigs about how Obama takes so much vacation time.
So after putting up with that for over a year, I grabbed this:

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So yes indeed.
Obama does vacation more than the most recent Democrat president;

BUT !!

not as much as the most recent Republican.

It's YOUR assertion.
It's not my job to prove you wrong. There is no legitimate entity known as a "burden of disproof".

if you have statistical verification, not partisan anecdote, but statistical PROOF that "Obama is significantly less honest than any other living president" you have an open invitation to post it as promptly as possible.

The irony is, you have called me a "moron", an obsolete psychiatric categorization which seems more applicable to you than me.
 
If "moron" is a synonym for scientist, then yes indeed I am.
I deal with quantifications.

Obama-bashers squeal like stuck pigs about how Obama takes so much vacation time.
So after putting up with that for over a year, I grabbed this:

4ad353494de867f617c79e2f746c182b02206bd.JPG


So yes indeed.
Obama does vacation more than the most recent Democrat president;

BUT !!

not as much as the most recent Republican.

It's YOUR assertion.
It's not my job to prove you wrong. There is no legitimate entity known as a "burden of disproof".

if you have statistical verification, not partisan anecdote, but statistical PROOF that "Obama is significantly less honest than any other living president" you have an open invitation to post it as promptly as possible.

The irony is, you have called me a "moron", an obsolete psychiatric categorization which seems more applicable to you than me.

A moron doesn't know how to quote properly, now listen up because this concerns you....
 
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