It’s official — trickle-down economics is bunk.

"A moron doesn't know how to quote properly, now listen up because this concerns you.... "
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And #99 proves that I both can and have.

So obviously intelligence COULD NOT POSSIBLY be the explanation when I follow a more efficient protocol. interesting that there's only ONE explanation you chose to attribute it to; when the one you chose is clearly incorrect, and several others you could have guessed about would have been so much more likely valid.

So who's the moron again?
 
sear said:
And #99 proves that I both can and have.

So obviously intelligence COULD NOT POSSIBLY be the explanation when I follow a more efficient protocol. interesting that there's only ONE explanation you chose to attribute it to; when the one you chose is clearly incorrect, and several others you could have guessed about would have been so much more likely valid.

So who's the moron again?
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You're a sociopath, I can tell just by reading your posts.
 
cawacko said:
Not everyone is a partisan hack Zap. People study economics and economic history and you can compare recoveries and this hasn't been a good one historically speaking
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That's because everything that led up to the recessions was different in each case.
 
christiefan915 said:
That's because everything that led up to the recessions was different in each case.
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The deeper the recession generally the larger the recovery which is factual and also intuitively makes sense. Economists are also aware each recession is not the same. It all gets factored in
 
sear said:
"Disability and welfare rolls grew higher under Obama, his attempt to turn America into a ghetto almost succeeded." dd #84

"As I was preparing to take office, the unemployment rate was on its way to 10 percent. Today, it’s at 4.6 percent -- the lowest in nearly a decade. We’ve seen the longest streak of job growth on record, and wages have grown faster over the past few years than at any time in the past 40.

When I came into office, 44 million people were uninsured. Today, we’ve covered more than 20 million of them. For the first time in our history, more than 90 percent of Americans are insured. In fact, yesterday was the biggest day ever for HealthCare.gov. More than 670,000 Americans signed up to get covered, and more are signing up by the day.

We’ve cut our dependence on foreign oil by more than half, doubled production of renewable energy, enacted the most sweeping reforms since FDR to protect consumers and prevent a crisis on Wall Street from punishing Main Street ever again. None of these actions stifled growth, as critics predicted. Instead, the stock market has nearly tripled. Since I signed Obamacare into law, our businesses have added more than 15 million new jobs. And the economy is undoubtedly more durable than it was in the days when we relied on oil from unstable nations and banks took risky bets with your money.

Add it all up, and last year, the poverty rate fell at the fastest rate in almost 50 years, while the median household income grew at the fastest rate on record. In fact, income gains were actually larger for households at the bottom and the middle than for those at the top. And we’ve done all this while cutting our deficits by nearly two-thirds and protecting vital investments that grow the middle class.

In foreign policy, when I came into office, we were in the midst of two wars. Now, nearly 180,000 troops are down to 15,000. Bin Laden, rather than being at large, has been taken off the battlefield, along with thousands of other terrorists. Over the past eight years, no foreign terrorist organization has successfully executed an attack on our homeland that was directed from overseas.

Through diplomacy, we’ve ensured that Iran cannot obtain a nuclear weapon -- without going to war with Iran. We opened up a new chapter with the people of Cuba. And we brought nearly 200 nations together around a climate agreement that could very well save this planet for our kids. And almost every country on Earth sees America as stronger and more respected today than they did eight years ago.

In other words, by so many measures, our country is stronger and more prosperous than it was when we started. That's a situation that I’m proud to leave for my successor. And it’s thanks to the American people -- to the hard work that you’ve put in, the sacrifices you’ve made for your families and your communities, the businesses that you started or invested in, the way you looked out for one another. And I could not be prouder to be your President." President Obama 16/12/16

Nope.
Nothing about a failed attempt to turn America into a ghetto.

Nice try though dd.
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That must be why 9.4 million dropped out of the labor force and many are on some government program now.
 
#106

It's likely a factor.

BUT !!

Applying a double-standard would only complicate matters beyond utility.

I gather the standard we apply to labor force drop-outs in the Obama administration is the same standard applied to them in previous presidential administrations.

Therefore is it not equally invalid for all?

Rating Republicans by a more lenient standard than Democrats is a short route to chaos. Republicans already have a millions of vote advantage with the EC. Just how much more of a double-standard do you think we should apply?

And if you want to apply a NEW standard which demonstrates that the unemployment rate is actually much higher than it's rated with the current system, would you be willing to implement it in Trump's first year as president? And then stick with it after a Democrat regains the White House?
 
sear said:
Thanks G.

Here's the official White House link to that specific news conference.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2016/12/16/press-conference-president

I did a character string search for "doctor" within the full body of the official WH transcript.

I got 6 hits for the word "doctor".

All six were in reference to a rare medical emergency among the press corps, during the conference.

Not one of them was about Obama's perceived success or failure regarding ACA.

In addition, not all falsehoods are lies.

I recall Obama saying approximately:
- If you like your plan, you can keep your plan. -

I gather for some that turned out to not be the case. (though it was for me. I'm w/ VA both then & now)

But Obama may have intended that to be true; but Pelosi didn't wish to, or was unable to deliver.

Let's cut to the chase.
You now have the link to the full, official White House transcript from that conference.

I offer you a second bite of the apple.

If you can quote a single assertion from it which you deem to be a lie; i'll strongly reconsider my position.

But I'm not aware Obama is significantly less honest than any other living president. If you can prove that wrong; I sincerely hope you will do so persuasively and promptly. Thanks.

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That is an out & out unambiguous lie.

An absolute falsehood cannot possibly be a certitude. BUSH LIED!

And Thousands Died as a result.
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Conservative inability to admit that Obama has indeed done GREAT THINGS to help turn the economy around after the Bush nightmare speaks VOLUMES not only about their intellect, but also their narrow minded hate.
 
ZappasGuitar said:
Conservative inability to admit that Obama has indeed done GREAT THINGS to help turn the economy around after the Bush nightmare speaks VOLUMES not only about their intellect, but also their narrow minded hate.
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Or you lack such an understanding of economics and are so partisan you have no actual clue what these economists are saying
 
"Conservative inability to admit that Obama has indeed done GREAT THINGS to help turn the economy around after the Bush nightmare speaks VOLUMES not only about their intellect, but also their narrow minded hate." ZG #109
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Fine.
But the hypocrisy is that they press their partisanship trumping citizenship, yet they presume to be more patriotic than those that don't.
“The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president” Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY)
http://www.mediaite.com/online/whit...me-the-shameless-mitch-mcconnell-and-company/
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So to the minority leader, his partisan ambition to promote himself to majority leader was more important than:
- the welfare of our military troops in combat
- lowering our astronomical debt
- keeping our innocent countrymen safe the way Obama has, from the kind of carnage that occurred during the most recent Republican president's tenure

On that last point may I point out a most painful irony?

During the 8 years of the Bush (younger) administration UBL killed about 3k innocent U.S. citizens. This stunning achievement earned him #1 on the FBI's Ten Most Wanted List.

During those same 8 years, President Bush (younger) lied U.S. into War, and killed more than 4k innocent patriot U.S. military volunteers in entirely unnecessary combat.

Get that straight.

Bush killed over 30% more U.S. citizens than the Number One on the FBI's Ten Most Wanted List, and UBL gets a U.S. Navy burial at sea; and Bush gets a generous government pension.

Am I the only one here that suspects something may be amiss with that?
 
Seven Years Later, Recovery Remains the Weakest of the Post-World War II Era

Despite longevity, total growth during this economic expansion is lower than for much shorter business cycles


Even seven years after the recession ended, the current stretch*of economic gains*has yielded*less growth than much shorter business cycles.

In terms of average annual*growth, the pace of this expansion has been by far*the weakest of any since 1949. (And for which we have quarterly data.)*The economy has grown at a 2.1% annual rate since the U.S. recovery began in mid-2009, according to gross-domestic-product data the Commerce Department released Friday.

The prior expansion, from 2001 through 2007, was the only other business cycle of the past 11 when the economy didn’t grow at least 3% a year, on average.
Total growth this expansion*ranks just*8th of the past 11 cycles.*The U.S. economy, at the end of June, was 15.5% larger than it was when the recession ended in 2009.

The current expansion remains smaller than*the one during Richard Nixon‘s administration. And*that 16% expansion lasted just three years.*The economy grew 18% from 2001 through 2007. It grew 52% from 1961 through 1969.

Despite the current expansion’s lack of intensity—or perhaps because of it—it is now one of the longest.

There have only been three longer expansions in the past seven decades.

So far, it has occurred entirely during*Barack Obama‘s time in the Oval Office, making it the longest expansion under a single president. The growth streak would need to extend just a little more than halfway through the next president’s term to achieve a modern record.

The average economic expansion since 1949 has lasted just more than five years. Only the expansion during the 1990s made it 10 years.


http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2016...ins-the-weakest-of-the-post-world-war-ii-era/
 
#114
“... Reince Priebus, the Republican National Chairman today said that 300K jobs ... aught to be expected every month ... and just a historical perspective:
- during the 8 years of President Bush (younger) there were 2.1 million net jobs created in the United States. Of the 2.1 million, 1.8 million of them were in the public sector ... that means there were 300,000 jobs in the private sector in 8 months, in 8 years rather, net ...
more jobs have been created in the United States in the last 4 years than in Europe, Japan, all the industrialized modern world combined. ...
70 years since WWII. 36 years of Republican presidents, 34 years of Democratic presidents. In those 70 years, there were 36.7 million jobs created under Republican presidents ... a little over half the time. In 34 years there were 63.7 million created by Democrats. That's 29 million more. You know, perhaps it's an accident once, or twice or what. But I mean at some point the Democrats ought to be comfort in the fact that they have been better the economy and job creation than have been the opposition.
...
It's 15 years since we've had 10 consecutive months of over 200,000 [job growth]. Just 15 years ago there was a fella from Arkansas ... there were more jobs created in Bill Clinton's 8 years than there were in Ronald Reagan's 8 years, and the 12 years of both Bush's combined. I mean 6 million more jobs created in those 8 years, ... policy does kick in, & is reflected in the results.” Mark Shields
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sear said:
#106

It's likely a factor.

BUT !!

Applying a double-standard would only complicate matters beyond utility.

I gather the standard we apply to labor force drop-outs in the Obama administration is the same standard applied to them in previous presidential administrations.

Therefore is it not equally invalid for all?

Rating Republicans by a more lenient standard than Democrats is a short route to chaos. Republicans already have a millions of vote advantage with the EC. Just how much more of a double-standard do you think we should apply?

And if you want to apply a NEW standard which demonstrates that the unemployment rate is actually much higher than it's rated with the current system, would you be willing to implement it in Trump's first year as president? And then stick with it after a Democrat regains the White House?
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If you don't change your tactics, the white house will be off limits to your ilk as we saw the most deceptive, criminal, and outright dishonest campaign ever from Hillary.
 
#117

a) I have no tactic.

b) I'm not a politician.

c) I'm not a political strategist or operative.

d) My political involvement ends with:

d1) voting

d2) sending occasional notes to my congressmen

d3) sharing my views in these fora, & cocktail parties, etc

If it went to trial, I doubt there's enough evidence to exact a conviction against me.

The worst charge they could convict me on is being a citizen with a benevolent conscience.

Turns out, that's not illegal.

Have a nice day.
 
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