It looks like Trump Junior Is a target.

[Jarod]

Are you arguing that if Clanton did it to that makes it OK?

Interesting to me that you started this thread by asking me how it was illegal, then you provide me with links that call what the Clinton campaign did illegal.

Even though what the Clinton campaign it is further from illegal then what the Trump campaign is alleged to have done.

 

[Jarod]

Where in the law does it state you cannot solicit anything of value from a Russian for use by a campaign?

It’s an illegal campaign contribution, it is against the law for a campaign to solicit anything of value from a foreign national. I don’t have the language in front of me and I’m driving, when I get back to my office, if I have time, I will find it for you. It’s basically common knowledge.

 

[Phantasmal]

Thank you for the citations and links, it does appear to me that it is very likely the Clinton campaign broke the law. I will say however that there is a fine line between hiring someone to do research that is not already in their possession and paying someone for information they already have.

If the Clinton campaign broke the law I want them prosecuted just as much as the Trump campaign.

I feel the same way, any and all of them that broke the law.

 

[Jarod]

LMAO... no Garud, you are not trusted. You are too fucking stupid to be trusted. Again... point to the law that was violated. Tell us how you think the Trump campaign violated it.

Then by all means, enlighten us to the difference in your above line of stupidity.

Read this thread for I gave you the law and explain to the actions that were in violation of the law. I don’t know what else you want from me, I understand if you want to pretend you don’t get it. I understand if your ego may prevent you from admitting that you understand.

 

[Jarod]

The good news is that Hillary cannot be impeached.

 

[Phantasmal]

its fun to see super duper red brick pooper is a trumpanzee

Are you surprised?

 

[Superfreak]

Are you arguing that if Clanton did it to that makes it OK?

Interesting to me that you started this thread by asking me how it was illegal, then you provide me with links that call what the Clinton campaign did illegal.

Even though what the Clinton campaign it is further from illegal then what the Trump campaign is alleged to have done.

1) No, it is not further GARUD. Trump Jr. did not pay anyone for information. He simply had a meeting where dirt had been offered on Clinton. Clinton PAID a foreign national for dirt on Trump. That is also NOT illegal.

2) YOU started the thread, I asked for legal back up to your assertion, which you still have not provided. Both of the items you mentioned have nothing to do with Trump Jr.'s meeting.

3) I didn't state what Clinton did was illegal... I ASKED you if it was based on your previous descriptions.

4) You don't even know who Steele is, yet you continue to comment on this as if you have a fucking clue what is going on.

 

[Darth Omar]

Thank you for the citations and links, it does appear to me that it is very likely the Clinton campaign broke the law. I will say however that there is a fine line between hiring someone to do research that is not already in their possession and paying someone for information they already have.

If the Clinton campaign broke the law I want them prosecuted just as much as the Trump campaign.

The problem is Comey may complicit in it and he's too close to Mueller. The mere fact Mueller is a former FBI head calls into question his objectivity and raises conflict of interest issues.

If anyone in congress had any sense---or principles, Mueller should be forced to step aside and the investigation should start from scratch with BOTH sides being looked at by a disinterested party.

If it's possible to find one in DC.

 

[Superfreak]

Read this thread for I gave you the law and explain to the actions that were in violation of the law. I don’t know what else you want from me, I understand if you want to pretend you don’t get it. I understand if your ego may prevent you from admitting that you understand.

Neither the Act of 2002 nor the code you presented cover the Trump Jr. meeting. Which is why I asked you to explain HOW they applied. Which you in turn ran from and continue to run from.

 

[Superfreak]

http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/01/politics/papadopoulos-timeline-events-russia-professor/index.html

You have to read between the lines here, I know some of you will not be willing to do so. If you look at the timeline you can see that the emails Papadopoulos was lying about are the prelude to the setting up of the Trump Junior meeting. Junior lied about the purpose of the meeting, I don’t know if he lied under oath, but lying about it, even not Underoath, shows that he knew it was against the law.

You can start with the Campaign Reform act of 2002.

18 U.S. Code § 1346

Is also likely violated by Jr’s actions.

Those two are off the top of my head, I have to go to lunch now, but I bet I can find more.

Soliciting a foreign national to provide anything of value to a campaign is illegal.

Soliciting anyone to provide stolen items (including emails) is illegal.

You can meet with them all day.
You can accept payment for a speech.

You cannot solicit anything of value from a Russian for use by a campaign.

You cannot solicit any stolen property.

That didn’t happen, if it had happened it would have been a crime.

See above, Campaign finance law and federal fraud statute.

How so?

Who is steel?

The DNC emails that were stolen we’re not supposed to be public property. You’re confusing emails here. Intentionally or not I don’t know... Are you stupid or just trying to confuse the discussion?

Show me evidence that the Clinton campaign knowingly paid it for national for dirt on Trump.

You can legally hire a foreign national to do research, you cannot legally pay a foreign national for something they already have. I don’t expect you to be able to appreciate the difference. Trust me the federal courts can appreciate the difference.

Thank you for the citations and links, it does appear to me that it is very likely the Clinton campaign broke the law. I will say however that there is a fine line between hiring someone to do research that is not already in their possession and paying someone for information they already have.

If the Clinton campaign broke the law I want them prosecuted just as much as the Trump campaign.

Are you arguing that if Clanton did it to that makes it OK?

Interesting to me that you started this thread by asking me how it was illegal, then you provide me with links that call what the Clinton campaign did illegal.

Even though what the Clinton campaign it is further from illegal then what the Trump campaign is alleged to have done.

It’s an illegal campaign contribution, it is against the law for a campaign to solicit anything of value from a foreign national. I don’t have the language in front of me and I’m driving, when I get back to my office, if I have time, I will find it for you. It’s basically common knowledge.

Read this thread for I gave you the law and explain to the actions that were in violation of the law. I don’t know what else you want from me, I understand if you want to pretend you don’t get it. I understand if your ego may prevent you from admitting that you understand.

The good news is that Hillary cannot be impeached.

So no... the above is the total of your posts to this point. You never explained how the Code or the Act of 2002 applied.

 

[Jarod]

1) No, it is not further GARUD. Trump Jr. did not pay anyone for information. He simply had a meeting where dirt had been offered on Clinton. Clinton PAID a foreign national for dirt on Trump. That is also NOT illegal.

2) YOU started the thread, I asked for legal back up to your assertion, which you still have not provided. Both of the items you mentioned have nothing to do with Trump Jr.'s meeting.

3) I didn't state what Clinton did was illegal... I ASKED you if it was based on your previous descriptions.

4) You don't even know who Steele is, yet you continue to comment on this as if you have a fucking clue what is going on.

You don’t have to pay someone to make a solicitation illegal. If Trump Junior solicited a foreign national for a donation of anything of value, or solicited anyone for items he knew to of been stolen he committed a federal felony.

Actually, now that I think about it paying fair market value for something from a foreign national is probably not illegal, soliciting a donation of something valuable from a foreign national to a presidential campaign is clearly illegal.

 

[Jarod]

What they say the Clinton campaign did was hire someone to do research for the campaign, not illegal.

What they say the Trump campaign did was to solicit a foreign national for a donation of valuable information that was known to have been stolen, very illegal.

 

[Superfreak]

Are you surprised?

Still encouraging the moron? I support the truth coming to light. If Trump is guilty, then take him down and President Pence will run the country. If Hillary is also guilty, toss her ass in jail too.

Thus far, there is NO evidence of collusion. Thus far, Manafort is going down with Gates and possibly Podesta for crimes committed long before he went to work for Trump.

Thus far, papadapolous is going down for lying. He appeared to try to set a meeting with the Russians. But that meeting never took place.


So again... where is the 'collusion'?

 

[Craig234]

So what do you call it when the Clinton campaign and DNC paid a foreign national for dirt on Trump?

Paying a British person for opposition research is not a crime. Did they pay for stolen trump e-mails, much less knowingly? Compare trump's trying to get stolen e-mail with Al Gore's not using a stolen copy of Bush's debate playbook he was given.

 

[Jarod]

So no... the above is the total of your posts to this point. You never explained how the Code or the Act of 2002 applied.

You asked for the law I gave it to you. That particular law makes it it Illegal for a campaign to solicit or accept a donation of anything of value From a foreign national.

 

[Superfreak]

What they say the Clinton campaign did was hire someone to do research for the campaign, not illegal.

What they say the Trump campaign did was to solicit a foreign national for a donation of valuable information that was known to have been stolen, very illegal.

lmao... 1) The offer was unsolicited (2) it was opposition research, the same as what Clinton was after (3) What was 'known to be stolen'???

 

[Superfreak]

You asked for the law I gave it to you. That particular law makes it it Illegal for a campaign to solicit or accept a donation of anything of value From a foreign national.

Again moron... quote the section of the act that makes it illegal. Don't point to the entire act and then pretend it is in there.

Also, the code has nothing to do with the Trump Jr situation

 

[Jarod]

So no... the above is the total of your posts to this point. You never explained how the Code or the Act of 2002 applied.

Still encouraging the moron? I support the truth coming to light. If Trump is guilty, then take him down and President Pence will run the country. If Hillary is also guilty, toss her ass in jail too.

Thus far, there is NO evidence of collusion. Thus far, Manafort is going down with Gates and possibly Podesta for crimes committed long before he went to work for Trump.

Thus far, papadapolous is going down for lying. He appeared to try to set a meeting with the Russians. But that meeting never took place.


So again... where is the 'collusion'?

Look at the timeline, it’s clear Trump Jr. took the meeting... then lied about it.

 

[Jarod]

So no... the above is the total of your posts to this point. You never explained how the Code or the Act of 2002 applied.

lmao... 1) The offer was unsolicited (2) it was opposition research, the same as what Clinton was after (3) What was 'known to be stolen'???

It appears to be solicited, and Podesta’s emails were stolen.

 

[Jarod]

So no... the above is the total of your posts to this point. You never explained how the Code or the Act of 2002 applied.

Excepting a donation of something valuable is not the same thing as hiring someone to do opposition research. Even you are smart Enough to figure that out.