Darth Omar
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Before I jump in, do you know anything about guns?
It is pointless to exchange with a gun hugger on gun reform,
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Before I jump in, do you know anything about guns?
He knows he hates them.
My BIL (who owns absolutely no weapons) posted this on FB earlier. It is relevant and is exactly why I And many others ask what specific law anti gun people want passed to prevent the bad stuff.
“Until we can ban all of them we might as well ban none of them.” - former senator H. Mettzenbaum
“Until we can ban all of them we might as well ban none of them.” - former senator H. Mettzenbaum
cawacko
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The #neveragain is going around regarding school shootings. That is a worthy goal, one I hope we would all desire. Their attempt to get there is through gun regulation. And the only way that happens is all guns are eliminated. Since we know that won't happen what's going to be the response after we pass more regulation and another shooting happens? Continued regulation until they are no longer legal
Absolutely. Bit by bit. Little by little. Regulation by regulation. Make guns less available. Make guns and ammo less affordable through regulation and licensing/liability insurance requirements. Make them harder to get by requiring [government] classes. All of these are efforts with the end goal of elimination or at the very least, severe restriction of private gun ownership.
In order to make an absurd claim like that, you have to offer proof. it is the rightys wgo teach violence and aggression to their kids, both philosophically and through excessive punishment. It is the gun loving rightys shooting the country up.
Eliminate semi automatics. Eliminate extra large clips. Eliminate bump stocks. Take guns from people who are daft. Make gun lovers take classes and pass tests. Make gun owners lock them up to keep their kids away from them. Then make them turn them in.
Enough, qualified on five of them, even sharpshooter on the M16, but what difference does it make if one knows anything about guns, I know little about bombs but common sense tells me one type kills a whole more and quicker than others
And that’s abunch of bull shstye...
Note, another tactic of both sides. Assign the nuts committing stupid acts to the other side.
cawacko
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At least you are honest. You do make LR's point
Do those things make you want to shoot somebody? I pay no attention to them. I cannot imagine anyone cares about such silly things. Rap? Flag burning? Treating kids well makes them killers. Asak aropung these posts and yopu will find gun lovers are spanked and over disciplined kids. Not hitting kids is not making them angry and aggressive. That is what beating them does.
So this guy's bottom line is you can't regulate weapons cause there are too many of them in the US. If there are more cars out there than guns, how do we then regulate cars?
You want a solution, easy treat guns lile cars, require renewable registration, renewable liscense, operator training and test, plus liability insurance. Will it end gun violence, no, but when securing a weapon is more difficult it will limited access to any weapon of choice
Wrong, no one talked about banning guns, the little by little crap is pure NRA fear propaganda, it's about regulating access to guns
Yes, the NRA tells me exactly how to examine data (from other nations) and to infer what regulation would do. Any of those things I have listed are unacceptable as they only drive up the price while not doing anything to stop any shootings.
Access to guns is already regulated. And if banning guns isn’t the end game ... well, check out Mr. Nordberg’s posts in this thread.
you are a regular little king George, aren't you ? the reason for the declaration of independence is the same things you love and advocate. the free and living will not be enslaved again. this is the last chapter. "liberty or death" anyone ? I choose death over enslavement and I ain't alone, so , as they say... "come and get 'em"
cawacko
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FACT: Virtually every country on the face of the earth allows private ownership of guns, with varying degrees of restriction and regulation. And that includes almost all liberal western democracies.
The fact that assorted wingnuts are claiming that there is a devious plot to ban "all guns" in the United States is either born of shocking and abject ignorance.....or sheer, unadulterated dishonesty.
I get it. Winguts do not really give a shit about mass executions of school children....their only interest is to parrot propaganda from far rightwing website on behalf of the corporate gun lobby. It really is not about actual hunters, sportmen, and outdoorsmen.---very few of whom actually use military style civilian knock offs of M-16s and AK-47 assault rifles.
Edit to add: It is the extraordinarily high prevalence of fire power, and the lack of any sort of reasonable regulation and restriction than makes violent gun deaths and mass executions of school children a problem in the United States --- and uniquely in the U.S.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/18/gun-ownership-gun-deaths-study
The fact that assorted wingnuts are claiming that there is a devious plot to ban "all guns" in the United States is either born of shocking and abject ignorance.....or sheer, unadulterated dishonesty.
I get it. Winguts do not really give a shit about mass executions of school children....their only interest is to parrot propaganda from far rightwing website on behalf of the corporate gun lobby. It really is not about actual hunters, sportmen, and outdoorsmen.---very few of whom actually use military style civilian knock offs of M-16s and AK-47 assault rifles.
Edit to add: It is the extraordinarily high prevalence of fire power, and the lack of any sort of reasonable regulation and restriction than makes violent gun deaths and mass executions of school children a problem in the United States --- and uniquely in the U.S.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/18/gun-ownership-gun-deaths-study
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And the “gun hugger” in the title of this thread could easily be replaced with “anti-gunner” from my POV. I wonder how many of them realize that. I know you are not a gun owner and appreciate you joining in the banter.
For the record, everything that increases the cost to the consumer I’m against. Guns are expensive enough as it is.
Yet drunks still drive, don't they?
Strange how despite all the regulations on cars there are more deaths each year than with guns.
That's not a solution. That's more ranting and raving by a gun hater motivated by his hate of guns than someone trying to solve a problem. The numbers refute your claim but I have come to the conclusion that you gun haters oppose facts as your hate has blinded you to the truth.
Only a very small percentage of gun murders are done with guns that were legally purchased. In 2014, the FBI indicated that approximately 8,100 gun deaths were due to firearm-related homicides. Only a small percentage were done with guns that were legally purchased. That means, moron, that most were done with guns that weren't legally purchased through something called a straw purchase, stolen, or bought on the streets by someone that shouldn't have been able to get one.
How do you propose those possessing those guns illegally renew their registration, license, do training/testing, and pay liability insurance? Since what you suggest won't change a thing, it's more proof that you simply hate guns and because YOU do, you want others to hate them or simply not own them.
Let's apply that to cars. How many drivers on the road today are driving without a license or insurance. Watch an episode of Live PD and see how many in just 3 hours on 1 night after being stopped have a suspended license, revoked license, or no insurance on their vehicle. A recent study showed that 13% of the drivers on the road do not have insurance.
What it boils down to is you want to institute things that rely on those intent on breaking the law thinking it will suddenly cause them to be law abiding.
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