It is pointless to exchange with a gun hugger on gun reform,

archives said:
No one is, nor ever has, called for banning guns, the plea is for regulating guns, so such as a eighteen year old kid who can't get a beer can walk in to a gun store and legally purchase a AK15.

What you are doing is echoing a NRA talking point
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Then maybe its time to recognize that an 18 yr. old is not mature enough to vote

or join the Armed Services where he or she will come into contact with much larger and and more powerful and deadlier weapons that a scary looking rifle.....

or legally use any drugs even in states where it is deemed legal....

or even get married....etc...
 
ZappasGuitar said:
You won't discuss even the most minimal regulation of guns, so yes, the blood of every child gunned down by a sicko is on your hands.

CONGRATS!!
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We already have plenty of gun laws on the books. Violations of those laws they are always the first ones to be dismissed in a plea bargain. Let's talk about getting tough on criminals who use firearms in the commission of violent crimes and locking them up for as long as possible. But you're not interested in that, are you? Your crowd wants to penalize law abiding gun owners to prevent criminals from committing crimes. Are you starting to side why my side tunes you out?
 
archives said:
No one is, nor ever has, called for banning guns, the plea is for regulating guns, so such as a eighteen year old kid who can't get a beer can walk in to a gun store and legally purchase a AK15.

What you are doing is echoing a NRA talking point
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Lots of people have called for banning guns. Most politicians who hold that view keep quiet about it because they know if they say it in public they will never win an election.
 
Sirthinksalot said:
We already have plenty of gun laws on the books. Violations of those laws they are always the first ones to be dismissed in a plea bargain. Let's talk about getting tough on criminals who use firearms in the commission of violent crimes and locking them up for as long as possible. But you're not interested in that, are you? Your crowd wants to penalize law abiding gun owners to prevent criminals from committing crimes. Are you starting to side why my side tunes you out?
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WOW!!

Lock up criminals who use a gun in the commission of their crime, for a really long time?

BRILLIANT!!

Why has no one ever thought of that before?

Oh wait, it's what the USA has been doing for over 200 years now, and it hasn't solved the problem yet.

Of course, we could always just give every criminal convicted of using a gun, the DEATH penalty...that's REALLY getting tough on criminals.

Whoopsie...there's that pesky 8th amendment!
 
archives said:
they don't understand the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, nor the Supreme Court rulings on the Second Amendment. They generalize the whole concept of freedom, taking an complex abstraction and reducing it to a cliche that would fit a bumper sticker

They all think regulating guns means the AFT is coming to their door to confiscate their toys, they deflect with the same debunked statistical "arguments" advanced by the NRA, repeat the lame talking points they've heard from the demogogues, anticipate Attila and the Huns are planning to break in to their house, and see themselves as Chuck Norris rather than the more applicable Barny Fife

It's pointless, one of the major reasons we have 30,000+ Americans die from guns every year, and what now seems as kids getting shot in schools every other month, it has become as American as apple pie
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Shall not be infringed, motherfucker!

:fuckyeah:
 
SmarterthanYou said:
when the constitution and bill of rights was ratified, it was made very clear what the new government could and could not do. there was nothing complex about it and the only reason it appears that way now is the fault of lawyers, liberals, and conservatives who all have their own agendas of destroying freedom. what makes things more ridiculous is the projection that most people provide in calling others 'barney fife', when they damn well know it is they, themselves, who would prostrate themselves before evil because they are cowards.

let us men be men and protect our society, or fall to ruin and slavery because you think that only the failures of government are the capable ones.
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Here we go with the Second Amendment again, didn't I mention they don't understand it nor the Bill of Rights? Little history lesson for yoy

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed"

Making it real simple, since the 19th Century the Supreme Court in numerous cases interpreting the Second Amendment has never gotten beyond the prefatory clause, "a well regulated militia being necessary to the security of the free State." The prefatory clause is the purpose of the Amendment, what makes the "right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed" relevant, and if you can't say what the prefatory clause means your just guessing on the remainder of the Amendment

The Roberts Court, owned by Scalia, figured it out by just rejecting precedent and skipping over the prefatory clause largely on the basis that it was too difficult. They ruled that if someone in DC wanted to own a gun to keep in his house for self defense it would be acceptable, a weak decision proven by the fact that the NRA has attempted numerous cases using Heller as a precedent to eliminate regulations of guns and have lost the vast majority of the cases. Even the Roberts Court has refused to hear several of them

Lastly, even Scalia warned in Heller that no right is absolute, and that the regulation of guns was totally legal

And from what I have seen, the tag Barney Fife fits perfectly, it ain't those who favor gun regulation that feel the need to assemble an arsenal in their home for protection
 
ZappasGuitar said:
WOW!!

Lock up criminals who use a gun in the commission of their crime, for a really long time?

BRILLIANT!!

Why has no one ever thought of that before?

Oh wait, it's what the USA has been doing for over 200 years now, and it hasn't solved the problem yet.
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So you're unfamiliar with how plea bargains typically go? Not surprising. You're probably also unfamiliar with the light sentences handed down by soft on crime liberal judges... again, not surprising.

Of course, we could always just give every criminal convicted of using a gun, the DEATH penalty...that's REALLY getting tough on criminals.

Whoopsie...there's that pesky 8th amendment!
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The 8th amendment doesn't outlaw the death penalty Einstein.
 
ZappasGuitar said:
One of us is willing to discuss some minimal regulation of guns and one isn't.
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Do you know who was not willing to discuss some minimal regulation of guns? The founding fathers of this country! But the British were all for regulations, which is what led to the battles of Lexington and Concord.

Here's your flag --> :britf:
 
ZappasGuitar said:
You aren't.

We're nearly 6 pages into this thread alone and you've never once mentioned any willingness to discuss any sort of regulation.
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There are all kinds of regulations on guns. Why do you act like they're not? Nor have you recommend any NEW regulations.
 
ZappasGuitar said:
You aren't.

We're nearly 6 pages into this thread alone and you've never once mentioned any willingness to discuss any sort of regulation.
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No, I'm not willing to enact any new regulations. I'm very willing to discuss the numerous laws and regulations already on the books and how they could be better used to decrease violence. But people like you just want to keep passing new laws that restrict the rights of the law abiding and get ignored by the criminals. And you can't even see why there's no common ground :palm:
 
Flash said:
Yes, you ignore those debates in which people are willing to accept reasonable regulations if they will do something constructive. We have yet to hear any proposals that would have prevented any of these shootings. Most guns have been purchased legally with background checks. The guy in TX who killed the people in the church should not have been able to buy a guy but the Navy failed to report the required information.
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Proposals? There's plenty, personally, I'd like to see guns treated the same way we do automobiles; registration, renewed registration, competence tests, licenses, renewed licenses, specialized licenses for certain weapons, and liability insurance

And now I'm going to get a gun hugger attempt to deflect by lamely telling me cars kill more people than guns
 
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