It appears we have no right to privacy!

Jarod said:
It appears we no longer have a right to freedom from government intrusion into our private personal and medical lives. (The right to privacy)


Justices plan to overturn Roe v. Wade.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/0...preme-court#roe-v-wade-abortion-supreme-court
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How does that affect your Right to privacy? It's a medical procedure. You have no right to say, assisted suicide. You have no right to undergo psychic surgery. Medical procedures can be banned for a variety of reasons.

Aside from that, if abortion is returned to the states, there will be states that allow it on demand, and ones that ban it. You want an abortion? Go to a state that allows them. Not a problem.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
How does that affect your Right to privacy? It's a medical procedure. You have no right to say, assisted suicide. You have no right to undergo psychic surgery. Medical procedures can be banned for a variety of reasons.

Aside from that, if abortion is returned to the states, there will be states that allow it on demand, and ones that ban it. You want an abortion? Go to a state that allows them. Not a problem.
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Newsflash for ya.....when you are hospitalized for various procedures, you are at one point given a paper that gives the option of consent for the hospital to share your medical information with other hospitals or physicians and insurance companies. To do so without the consent of the patient or legal guardian/next of kin is ILLEGAL. I know this from personally being hospitalized (also when one of my brothers had appendicitis) and dealing with my elderly parents.

"psychic surgery" is NOT a bonafide medical procedure and is not recognized as such in any hospital around the world. If you know otherwise, do tell. So your example is absurd.

Since assisted suicide was NEVER a legal medical option, again your example is absurd.

Abortion is a medical procedure and aside from religious based clap trap, was a decision between the patient and her physician. But, as Jarod points out, with all this Stasi-like laws being passed, a woman's medical privacy is out the window, because literally any yahoo can go poking around to see what's up in a doctor's or hospital's office. This is not whistle blowing in as much as it's spying.

If you're okay with that, then people can blow the whistle on guys ordering up viagra and the like, as "God" has seen fit to end their reproductive cycle and it's against God and nature to force the issue. ;)
 
BartenderElite said:
It's not "no problem" for many women to travel to another state for an abortion.

It's completely prohibitive for many.
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And God forbid any of these women or parents ask for public assistance.....that's their problem (brought to them courtesy of a Christo-fascist state).
 
Jarod said:
It appears we no longer have a right to freedom from government intrusion into our private personal and medical lives. (The right to privacy)


Justices plan to overturn Roe v. Wade.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/0...preme-court#roe-v-wade-abortion-supreme-court
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Not if you read the entire decision. It specifically says it does not affect the right to contraception, homosexual acts, and same sex marriage.

Not sure why only abortion is affected by the right to privacy. To the extent that Roe was a somewhat convoluted decision that same description would apply to those other rights.
 
Taichiliberal said:
And God forbid any of these women or parents ask for public assistance.....that's their problem (brought to them courtesy of a Christo-fascist state).
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Won't they be eligible for the same public assistance available today?---TANF, Medicaid, CHIPS, SNAP, child tax credit, housing, SSI............
 
T. A. Gardner said:
How does that affect your Right to privacy? It's a medical procedure. You have no right to say, assisted suicide. You have no right to undergo psychic surgery. Medical procedures can be banned for a variety of reasons.

Aside from that, if abortion is returned to the states, there will be states that allow it on demand, and ones that ban it. You want an abortion? Go to a state that allows them. Not a problem.
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Jesus. What's next? Letting states decide whether they accept interracial marriage?

Oh, wait.
 
Jarod said:
It appears we no longer have a right to freedom from government intrusion into our private personal and medical lives. (The right to privacy)


Justices plan to overturn Roe v. Wade.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/0...preme-court#roe-v-wade-abortion-supreme-court
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agreed.
I remember how this was publicly discussed when Roe v Wade was in front of the court (Warren court?)

Women in some states were subjected to egregious and bizarre restrictions to the point women had to go in the "back alleys"

This were "living document" type reasoning, whereby the right to privacy had to be conjured up
because to deny women GUARANTEED reasonable access was a medical reality
[ and women needed to be able to contro/own their bodies]

So the decision was crafted to support a need. Strict Constructionists flipped out.
a textualist like Scalia would as well.
But the medical and sovereign right were so lacking the SCOTUS deceided to enshrine a right to control
your own body

We' lost a lot of that with intrusive testing and surveillance -
all the more reason to lock in personal sovereignty into law

Oh and stare decisis means let it stand as well
 
Jarod said:
It appears we no longer have a right to freedom from government intrusion into our private personal and medical lives. (The right to privacy)
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The privacy of our medical lives is protected by HIPPA, not the right to privacy.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
How does that affect your Right to privacy? It's a medical procedure. You have no right to say, assisted suicide. You have no right to undergo psychic surgery. Medical procedures can be banned for a variety of reasons.

Aside from that, if abortion is returned to the states, there will be states that allow it on demand, and ones that ban it. You want an abortion? Go to a state that allows them. Not a problem.
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the 14th calls for equal protection
There is a fundamental question - unlike some quack surgery- does a woman have the right to plan her pregnancy?

If she does then it's a violation of that right in certain states, and places an undo burden on the right to abortion for women in those states

also look at the number of abortions - like millions a year? there has to be a basic right to allow women abortion no matter in what state = family planning
 
American Man said:
Jesus. What's next? Letting states decide whether they accept interracial marriage?

Oh, wait.
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Apples to spline gears. Marriage isn't fungible. That is, a married couple can move from one state to another and under the concept of reciprocity their new state has to accept the marriage. Abortion is site specific. If you have an abortion in say, California, and then fly home to Alabama, Alabama doesn't have any say or whatever over your having an abortion in California.

On the other hand, if you have a gay marriage or interracial marriage in California, and then move to Alabama, Alabama has to honor that marriage. It still exists when you get to Alabama.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Apples to spline gears. Marriage isn't fungible. That is, a married couple can move from one state to another and under the concept of reciprocity their new state has to accept the marriage. Abortion is site specific. If you have an abortion in say, California, and then fly home to Alabama, Alabama doesn't have any say or whatever over your having an abortion in California.

On the other hand, if you have a gay marriage or interracial marriage in California, and then move to Alabama, Alabama has to honor that marriage. It still exists when you get to Alabama.
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The point I was making is that the right-wing is morally inconsistent.
 
dukkha said:
the 14th calls for equal protection
There is a fundamental question - unlike some quack surgery- does a woman have the right to plan her pregnancy?

If she does then it's a violation of that right in certain states, and places an undo burden on the right to abortion for women in those states

also look at the number of abortions - like millions a year? there has to be a basic right to allow women abortion no matter in what state = family planning
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Equal protection only means you have equal access where access exists. If you live in say, Alabama and abortions are banned, that doesn't prevent you from flying to say California and having an abortion. Alabama has no say in that. The state doesn't even need to know you had one. You had equal access to everyone else in California and equal non-access to one in Alabama.

Equal access doesn't mean you have equal access regardless of what state you are in. If it did, then you'd have the right to own a firearm and carry it concealed in all 50 states because some states allow that while others don't.
 
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