It appears we have no right to privacy!

[T. A. Gardner]

This is incorrect. The impact this has on poor working women cannot be overstated. Many are not able to get time off from work to travel, and $200 is a budget breaker for many.

You're really oversimplifying what this means for millions.

So? That changes nothing over now. You are trying to make an appeal to poverty fallacy here. Who's fault is it that some "poor working woman" got pregnant to begin with? Immaculate conception doesn't happen. I doubt rape in the vast majority of cases applies either. So, if it wasn't through criminal action, not an act of nature, it was a conscious decision on the part of that "poor working woman" to not keep her fucking legs together.
That makes abortion an elective procedure not a medically necessary one in the vast majority of cases. If you can't pay for that procedure, or get the asshole you let fuck you pay for it, then learn to live with the consequences of your decisions and actions bitch!

 

[BartenderElite]

So? That changes nothing over now. You are trying to make an appeal to poverty fallacy here. Who's fault is it that some "poor working woman" got pregnant to begin with? Immaculate conception doesn't happen. I doubt rape in the vast majority of cases applies either. So, if it wasn't through criminal action, not an act of nature, it was a conscious decision on the part of that "poor working woman" to not keep her fucking legs together.
That makes abortion an elective procedure not a medically necessary one in the vast majority of cases. If you can't pay for that procedure, or get the asshole you let fuck you pay for it, then learn to live with the consequences of your decisions and actions bitch!

Man, do I hope Republicans start talking like that. I know most feel that way - I hope they put that out in the open.

 

[Flash]

Again, a canard. If that were true, then again, the 2nd Amendment would apply equally to all states, but it doesn't. A abortion isn't portable. It occurs in a specific location. So one state could have lax abortion laws while another has a complete ban and it wouldn't change anything other than a person wanting an abortion having to travel some distance--which they would have to in any case--to get one.

The second amendment does apply equally to all states. States can make regulations and different states choose to regulate differently.

 

[Grokmaster]

It appears we no longer have a right to freedom from government intrusion into our private personal and medical lives. (The right to privacy)


Justices plan to overturn Roe v. Wade.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/0...preme-court#roe-v-wade-abortion-supreme-court

Which does not end abortion ,dumbfuck. It just returns it to the states and there will be plenty of Blue States that will gladly allow you to murder your baby, even after being born.

How wonderful for you!!

 

[T. A. Gardner]

The second amendment does apply equally to all states. States can make regulations and different states choose to regulate differently.

Okay, so why is it different with abortion? Abortion is not an enumerated Right in the Constitution, so it follows some states could ban it, others allow it.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Quote Originally Posted by Jarod View Post
It appears we no longer have a right to freedom from government intrusion into our private personal and medical lives. (The right to privacy)


Justices plan to overturn Roe v. Wade.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/05...-supreme-court

Not if you read the entire decision. It specifically says it does not affect the right to contraception, homosexual acts, and same sex marriage.

Not sure why only abortion is affected by the right to privacy. To the extent that Roe was a somewhat convoluted decision that same description would apply to those other rights.

Not so fast! While the 3 things you mentioned are true....this would make it possible under individual State law not only for one's private medical history to be opened to any yahoo with a philosophical/religious axe to grind, but if a nosey neighbor starts a rumor mill, any clown can drop a quarter on a woman making a private decision to have an abortion (if someone on the hospital staff doesn't do it first).

This is F.U.B.B. - a Stasi system for the anti-abortionist! Unreal for a country that is always touting how "free" it is .

 

[Flash]

Okay, so why is it different with abortion? Abortion is not an enumerated Right in the Constitution, so it follows some states could ban it, others allow it.

All rights are not enumerated. The 9th amendment specifically says those rights enumerated in amendments 1-8 do not mean there are not others retained by the people.

Do you think the decision to use birth control, send your kids to private school, travel, or have sex with whomever you choose should depend on states allowing it or should all people have those rights in all states?

 

[Taichiliberal]

Quote Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
And God forbid any of these women or parents ask for public assistance.....that's their problem (brought to them courtesy of a Christo-fascist state).

Won't they be eligible for the same public assistance available today?---TANF, Medicaid, CHIPS, SNAP, child tax credit, housing, SSI............

Depends on how the Congress swings with support from the SCOTUS. EVERYTHING you just mentioned has been under fire by the neocon/teabagger/MAGA led Republican party for the last 30 years. Give 'em an inch, and they'll take a mile!

 

[Taichiliberal]

it's been obvious for a long time there was no true right of privacy........didn't Google convince you of that?......

Okay, then the next time YOU go to the pharmacy to pick up your prescript of viagra or buy a condom, your pharmacist can deny you service because the new state law makes it illegal for a man who cannot naturally procreate to use artificial means, or that you're too old or that enabling pre-marital sex is prohibited.

Yeah, it's your life and your body, but by YOUR mindset regarding Roe vs. Wade, the Christo-fascist ideology rules. But I suspect when the shoe is on the other foot, you and your ilk will wail like banshees about Constitutional freedoms and such.

 

[Flash]

Not so fast! While the 3 things you mentioned are true....this would make it possible under individual State law not only for one's private medical history to be opened to any yahoo with a philosophical/religious axe to grind, but if a nosey neighbor starts a rumor mill, any clown can drop a quarter on a woman making a private decision to have an abortion (if someone on the hospital staff doesn't do it first).

Doesn't federal law (HIPPA) protect our private medical history? There have been no court decisions saying those are protected under the right to privacy established in Griswold.

Sorry, I don't understand the part about dropping a quarter on a woman deciding to have an abortion. How is that protected today except maybe HIPPA?

 

[Taichiliberal]

Quote Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
And God forbid any of these women or parents ask for public assistance.....that's their problem (brought to them courtesy of a Christo-fascist state).

Once again, you avoid the point I make in favor of parroting propaganda, just like a good little right wing flunky.


abortion is the sign of a demon-fascist state......how else can you explain people who demand a right to kill their children......

Now you're babbling nonsense. How is FREEDOM OF CHOICE fascism? And since there are no children being killed after birth and you have rules & regulations as to when abortions cannot be performed, you question is based on sheer ignorance.

Oh, and when you bring "demons" into the conversation, that's theology. And remember, in this country we have separation of church and state (so says the Constitution). So you have NO standing in that respect because NO ONE IS FORCING YOU TO DO ANYTHING BEYOND YOUR PERSONAL RELIGIOUS BELIEFS IN THIS RESPECT.

Got that, bunky?

 

[Taichiliberal]

Quote Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
Newsflash for ya.....when you are hospitalized for various procedures, you are at one point given a paper that gives the option of consent for the hospital to share your medical information with other hospitals or physicians and insurance companies. To do so without the consent of the patient or legal guardian/next of kin is ILLEGAL. I know this from personally being hospitalized (also when one of my brothers had appendicitis) and dealing with my elderly parents.

"psychic surgery" is NOT a bonafide medical procedure and is not recognized as such in any hospital around the world. If you know otherwise, do tell. So your example is absurd.

Since assisted suicide was NEVER a legal medical option, again your example is absurd.

Abortion is a medical procedure and aside from religious based clap trap, was a decision between the patient and her physician. But, as Jarod points out, with all this Stasi-like laws being passed, a woman's medical privacy is out the window, because literally any yahoo can go poking around to see what's up in a doctor's or hospital's office. This is not whistle blowing in as much as it's spying.

If you're okay with that, then people can blow the whistle on guys ordering up viagra and the like, as "God" has seen fit to end their reproductive cycle and it's against God and nature to force the issue.

Mass murdering babies is not a medical procedure unless the life of the mother is at risk you infanticidal pos.

Now you're babbling nonsense. How is FREEDOM OF CHOICE fascism? And since there are no children being killed after birth and you have rules & regulations as to when abortions cannot be performed, you question is based on sheer ignorance. And it's a Medical FACT that when abortion was illegal, you had more deaths and such to women trying to induce abortion themselves or utilizing untrained and unlicensed "practitioners". So you've got that backwards (by purpose or by ignorance).

Oh, and when you bring theology into the mix, remember, in this country we have separation of church and state (so says the Constitution). So you have NO standing in that respect because NO ONE IS FORCING YOU TO DO ANYTHING BEYOND YOUR PERSONAL RELIGIOUS BELIEFS IN THIS RESPECT.

Got that, bunky? My previous post stands valid.

 

[Stone]

You take care of your own- and don't preach.

I have taken care of my own, I have taken care of others own as well at times. Doesnt make me some great guy either,....I just know that all children deserve to be loved, supported, and taken care of.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Quote Originally Posted by dukkha View Post
agreed.
I remember how this was publicly discussed when Roe v Wade was in front of the court (Warren court?)

Women in some states were subjected to egregious and bizarre restrictions to the point women had to go in the "back alleys"

This were "living document" type reasoning, whereby the right to privacy had to be conjured up
because to deny women GUARANTEED reasonable access was a medical reality
[ and women needed to be able to contro/own their bodies]

So the decision was crafted to support a need. Strict Constructionists flipped out.
a textualist like Scalia would as well.
But the medical and sovereign right were so lacking the SCOTUS deceided to enshrine a right to control
your own body

We' lost a lot of that with intrusive testing and surveillance -
all the more reason to lock in personal sovereignty into law

Oh and stare decisis means let it stand as well

Back alley abortion deaths were always a myth as proven conclusively by the fact that deaths by abortions immediately before and after Roe didn't change, Roe was not the factor, widespread availability of antibiotics was the factor.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...t-thousands-women-died-every-year-before-roe/

Not quite, because even the article here, while documenting a hundred here and there, does depend upon estimates and limited surveys. Now read this carefully and comprehensively, https://www.wjtv.com/news/national/how-many-women-die-from-unsafe-abortions/ Here's an excerpt:

In their peer-reviewed study “Unsafe Abortion: Unnecessary Maternal Mortality,” researchers at Harvard Medical School’s Brigham and Women’s Hospital, explained the correlation between outlawed abortion and an increase in female mortality during live births, citing Romanian laws banning the procedure in the 1960s and its reversal in the 1980s. Researchers say deaths per 100,000 ballooned from 20 to 148. Within only a year of the reversal, researchers say the number dropped to 68 deaths per 100,000 live births. The ratio was down to nine deaths per 100,000 by 2002, they write.

A blanket ban of abortion in the U.S. would lead to a 21% increase of pregnancy-related deaths overall, a study from the University of Colorado Boulder found. Researchers only included numbers related to the actual pregnancy and delivery, saying: “Any increased death due to unsafe abortions or attempted abortions would be in addition to these estimates.”

Now I don't know about you, but guaranteeing the deaths of a few hundred women a year JUST TO SATISFY A NON-INVOLVED PERSON RELIGIOUS MINDSET is kind of twisted. IT'S CHOICE, NOT BY FORCE. No one is asking YOU to do a damned thing to your body or life. Mind your own damned business.

 

[Taichiliberal]

I don't think it is a foregone conclusion that white women, on balance, will take any decisive electoral action to protect a reproductive rights. I think a majority of white women voted for Trump. Roe's fate is probably in the hands of women of color and their allies.

Never ceases to amaze me how people vote against their best interests.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
Not so fast! While the 3 things you mentioned are true....this would make it possible under individual State law not only for one's private medical history to be opened to any yahoo with a philosophical/religious axe to grind, but if a nosey neighbor starts a rumor mill, any clown can drop a quarter on a woman making a private decision to have an abortion (if someone on the hospital staff doesn't do it first).

Doesn't federal law (HIPPA) protect our private medical history? There have been no court decisions saying those are protected under the right to privacy established in Griswold.

Sorry, I don't understand the part about dropping a quarter on a woman deciding to have an abortion. How is that protected today except maybe HIPPA?

Seems you're ignoring current events. HIPPA is a federal law....anti-abortionist want to trash Roe vs. Wade, thus opening the flood gates for states to do whatever the hell they want on the issue, HIPPA be damned.

For your education:

https://www.newsweek.com/state-abortion-laws-2019-list-1440609

https://www.politifact.com/article/2019/may/24/georgia-abortion-bill-prison-fact-check/

 

[PostmodernProphet]

Okay, then the next time YOU go to the pharmacy to pick up your prescript of viagra or buy a condom, your pharmacist can deny you service because the new state law makes it illegal for a man who cannot naturally procreate to use artificial means, or that you're too old or that enabling pre-marital sex is prohibited.

Yeah, it's your life and your body, but by YOUR mindset regarding Roe vs. Wade, the Christo-fascist ideology rules. But I suspect when the shoe is on the other foot, you and your ilk will wail like banshees about Constitutional freedoms and such.

not a problem......I don't use either.....

 

[PostmodernProphet]

Now you're babbling nonsense. How is FREEDOM OF CHOICE fascism? And since there are no children being killed after birth and you have rules & regulations as to when abortions cannot be performed, you question is based on sheer ignorance.

Oh, and when you bring "demons" into the conversation, that's theology. And remember, in this country we have separation of church and state (so says the Constitution). So you have NO standing in that respect because NO ONE IS FORCING YOU TO DO ANYTHING BEYOND YOUR PERSONAL RELIGIOUS BELIEFS IN THIS RESPECT.

Got that, bunky?

gosh, where did I get the idea that killing children was fascist......perhaps it had something to do with Auschwitz.......

 

[Taichiliberal]

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
Okay, then the next time YOU go to the pharmacy to pick up your prescript of viagra or buy a condom, your pharmacist can deny you service because the new state law makes it illegal for a man who cannot naturally procreate to use artificial means, or that you're too old or that enabling pre-marital sex is prohibited.

Yeah, it's your life and your body, but by YOUR mindset regarding Roe vs. Wade, the Christo-fascist ideology rules. But I suspect when the shoe is on the other foot, you and your ilk will wail like banshees about Constitutional freedoms and such.

not a problem......I don't use either.....

typical Christo-fascist mindset.....make sure the rules you impose on others doesn't affect you.

 

[evince]

America has never taken away a right before


What other rights will the right strip from the American people?