Israel's right to exist

wiseones2cents said:
Your might make right doesn't hold too much weight in a MODERN civilized world. For you to suggest that we all accept the occupation and conquering of countries is ridiculous.
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really? well guess what? most of the world has accepted israel, that's why israel is a full member of the united nations. Has been for more than 70 years now. most of the civilized world DOES accept israel. Israel is recognized by 150 countries. The vast majority of the world, vast majority of the people, and vast majority of government institutions all say yes to israel. How does that feel? Do you like being so wrong? I bet it doesn't feel so good, does it? Too bad. Israel is here to stay.

:dealwithit:
 
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wiseones2cents said:
Your an idiot! Hawaii has LONG been conquered. What we are witnessing today is a country being conquered and a people facing genocide at the hands of the Zionists who have no right being there considering the majority are ATHEIST!
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so length of time grants legibility? I had no idea legibility was so easy. I guess israel only has to hang on for another... 25 years or so and then you yourself will have to accept the 100% legitimacy of israel :)
 
wanderingbear said:
Dont give me that bullshit.If anyone is acting like a Nazi its the Israelis.
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Yeah....defending yourself from rockets is acting like a Nazi....only on your world.....

Israeli "aggression' is a myth.....being under attack from terrorists form decades demands a response in kind....get a clue Nazi.
 
bravo said:
Yeah....defending yourself from rockets is acting like a Nazi....only on your world.....

Israeli "aggression' is a myth.....being under attack from terrorists form decades demands a response in kind....get a clue Nazi.
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Their not defending themselves. Their committing a Genocide and their making excuses for it.
 
wiseones2cents said:
An occupying force is one that has not been recognized by the international community as a country in their own right. You are correct, absent some crazy assertion that the land is theirs because the bible says so, they really had no RIGHT to move to British controlled Palestine. HOWEVER, they did, they were not deported and in 1948 they were recognized as an autonymous government. They have been such for 64 years so they now have that right. AND just so your clear, they were basically allowed to stay there because NO OTHER NATION wanted the Jews. Unfortunately, before they recognized as a country, they engaged in overt acts of terror to get there way. The Arabs saw that it was possible to engage in acts of terrorism and still be recognized as a country and they have been trying to duplicate that since.
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In your sabbatical, from this site, you seem to have forgotten that no other nation wants the Palestinians then or now.
 
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Heisenberg said:
Your question is irrelevant. It's like asking whether the US has a right to exist - at the end of the day, what's done is done.

What is your solution, exactly?
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So, justice is the will of the stronger? A very conservative answer. You hate justice, just like all conservatives.
 
Tuco said:
really? well guess what? most of the world has accepted israel, that's why israel is a full member of the united nations. Has been for more than 70 years now. most of the civilized world DOES accept israel. Israel is recognized by 150 countries. The vast majority of the world, vast majority of the people, and vast majority of government institutions all say yes to israel. How does that feel? Do you like being so wrong? I bet it doesn't feel so good, does it? Too bad. Israel is here to stay.

:dealwithit:
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The vast majority of governments accepted South Africa as well. Deal with it, negroes! Hope you like your African "homelands" LOL!!!!!!
 
"Deal with it" - the answer of psychopaths. The modern right is just a bunch of psychopaths who hate victims, consider them weak, and laugh at those who are being beaten up, congratulating the robbers, the thieves, and the abusers for their strength. God I hate them. We need a genocide all right, a genocide of rightist scum.
 
the deal with it image is by far my favorite on here. still hasn't worn itself out. every time i use it it's like a very satisfying bitch slap across some idiots face.
 
wiseones2cents said:
I keep on hearing about Israel's right to defend themselves and Israel's right to exist. Can somebody explain to me their right to exist as a state in Palestine? Please dont use the Bible because it would be laughed out of any secular court.
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the area referred to as palistine was never a nation, it was a section of the middle east that was referred to as palistine without its own government at the time. the occupants of palestine (and other arabs) sided with the nazis during wwii. the western powers (mainly britain) that won won wwii decided to give the then worthless area to the jews as a homeland rather than give them a piece of germany (this was to punish the arabs that sided with the nazis). the expectation was that the arabs would kill the jews and take the area back, but the arabs failed to do so. many of the native arabs of the area abandoned their homes fearing that they would be killed during the war. however, the jews won and have occupied the area ever since (even being recognized by the un). at least two more arab led wars against israel have been won by israel (with israel winning control of the entire gaza area, but later returned to egypt).

israel has offered to recognize the gaza strip and the golan area as a palestinian state, but the palestinians have refused to recognize israel and called for its destruction and the death of all of its jews (which they refuse to consider human) and want the entire area back. while there are islamic factions that are willing to arm the palestinians, none of the current arab nations are willing to go to war with israel.

israel's 'right to exist' is basically the same as most nations today. it was won by bloodshed and war. it was taken away from the natives and held by the conquers just like most if not all nations today. the process continues even today (although most such wars are religious in nature) rather than wars of conquest by foreign nations (except for kashmir and tibet which china is trying to take over). also, see the history of the rise and fall of the ussr or iran, iraq and persia or checkout the changes in the global geopolitical maps of the world over the last few centuries. while you are at it, you might checkout the history of the 'americas' and why spanish and portugese are spoken in some nations rather than their 'native' langues. there is also 'quebec' in canada or the origins of alaska. while you are at it, you may want to checkout why there are so many languages spoken in the u s of a (not just spanish).
 
Fluttershy said:
"Deal with it" - the answer of psychopaths. The modern right is just a bunch of psychopaths who hate victims, consider them weak, and laugh at those who are being beaten up, congratulating the robbers, the thieves, and the abusers for their strength. God I hate them. We need a genocide all right, a genocide of rightist scum.
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hilarious, because i've heard 'deal with it' from more lefties about gun bans and gun control than I ever heard from righties about Israel.
 
Don Quixote said:
the area referred to as palistine was never a nation, it was a section of the middle east that was referred to as palistine without its own government at the time. the occupants of palestine (and other arabs) sided with the nazis during wwii. the western powers (mainly britain) that won won wwii decided to give the then worthless area to the jews as a homeland rather than give them a piece of germany (this was to punish the arabs that sided with the nazis). the expectation was that the arabs would kill the jews and take the area back, but the arabs failed to do so. many of the native arabs of the area abandoned their homes fearing that they would be killed during the war. however, the jews won and have occupied the area ever since (even being recognized by the un). at least two more arab led wars against israel have been won by israel (with israel winning control of the entire gaza area, but later returned to egypt).

israel has offered to recognize the gaza strip and the golan area as a palestinian state, but the palestinians have refused to recognize israel and called for its destruction and the death of all of its jews (which they refuse to consider human) and want the entire area back. while there are islamic factions that are willing to arm the palestinians, none of the current arab nations are willing to go to war with israel.

israel's 'right to exist' is basically the same as most nations today. it was won by bloodshed and war. it was taken away from the natives and held by the conquers just like most if not all nations today. the process continues even today (although most such wars are religious in nature) rather than wars of conquest by foreign nations (except for kashmir and tibet which china is trying to take over). also, see the history of the rise and fall of the ussr or iran, iraq and persia or checkout the changes in the global geopolitical maps of the world over the last few centuries. while you are at it, you might checkout the history of the 'americas' and why spanish and portugese are spoken in some nations rather than their 'native' langues. there is also 'quebec' in canada or the origins of alaska. while you are at it, you may want to checkout why there are so many languages spoken in the u s of a (not just spanish).
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Umm, the Golan Heights are part of Syria and Egypt was handed back the Sinai not Gaza!!
 
Fluttershy said:
"Deal with it" - the answer of psychopaths. The modern right is just a bunch of psychopaths who hate victims, consider them weak, and laugh at those who are being beaten up, congratulating the robbers, the thieves, and the abusers for their strength. God I hate them. We need a genocide all right, a genocide of rightist scum.
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LOL On that note, Happy Thanksgiving WM! :)
 
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