Israel's right to exist

wiseones2cents said:
Ah he's just a zionist useful idiot. There are many bought souls(sucking on the tit of the zionists), who cry anti-semetism anytime his beloved Israelis are criticized.lol
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You're just an Islamist tool and useful idiot. There is no such thing as a "Palestinian". Even Hamas has admitted that as well as other muslim terrorists
 
Wise Old Man said:
To hell with that BS. Israel has the right to protect their people. The UN is nothing but a sewer full of corrupt rats. Everyone who values liberty and peace should ignore them.
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They have a right to occupy the land and then kill the inhabitants when they fight for their land back? What do you think this is? Biblical Canaan 5000 years ago?

The same can be said about America. Except the Americans are 1000 times more corrupt. The country that consumes more drugs then the entire countries combined, most police officers and lawyers per capita(Police state), most prisoners in the world(That considering how many lawyers get crooks off). Shall I go on?
 
cannabis said:
so the UN is a law, with no force of law.

how is that working out for you?
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It is a debating body, that issues resolutions but doesn't have the power to enforce it unless the UN security council(Russia, USA, France, China, Britain)acts, and they only act in their own interest. Not in the interest of the international community.

Therefore it is not very effective. They need to be given some teeth. If they did, they would have kicked Israel ass a long time ago.
 
wiseones2cents said:
They have a right to occupy the land and then kill the inhabitants when they fight for their land back? What do you think this is? Biblical Canaan 5000 years ago?

The same can be said about America. Except the Americans are 1000 times more corrupt. The country that consumes more drugs then the entire countries combined, most police officers and lawyers per capita(Police state), most prisoners in the world(That considering how many lawyers get crooks off). Shall I go on?
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You can go on if you like. Doesn't matter to me. I've heard all kinds of propaganda and yours is not that much more interesting than that other garbage.
 
It's silly to ignore the fact that Jews lived in Israel before 1948. If such was not the case there never would be a bombing at King David Hotel... Likely there wouldn't have been a King David Hotel...

The reality is Jewish people lived there too. The problem is the Brits promised the same land to two different peoples.
 
Wise Old Man said:
You're just an Islamist tool and useful idiot. There is no such thing as a "Palestinian". Even Hamas has admitted that as well as other muslim terrorists
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REALLY??? SHOW ME PROOF!! That Hamas admitted this!!! I've seen old maps from the last 2000 years all showing PALESTINE as a region! NONE of them refer to the land as Israel NOR Judea!
 
wiseones2cents said:
British territory but the inhabitants were PALESTINIANS! Palestinians fought with their lives to free Palestine from the Ottoman empire and were promised the land by the British!! Didn't you watch Lawrence of Arabia?
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Palestine is to country as township is to state....its nothing ..... there never was a Palestine as a sovereign 'nation'....it was always a minor part of some other
peoples ruling empire.....saying you are a Palestinian isn't even on a par with saying you're a Midwesterner...

The first clear use of the term Palestine to refer to the entire area between Phoenicia and Egypt was in 5th century BC Ancient Greece

The United Kingdom of Israel was established in 1020 BCE and split within a century to form the northern Kingdom of Israel, and the southern Kingdom of Judah.

And you are a Neo-Nazi.....
 
wiseones2cents said:
I'm making all the sense in the world. Are you saying that modern day people should accept the conquering of Nations? Like the example I gave. Spain is under economic woes. Should they attack Portugal and conquer them? Who would accept that? You'd have ever country arming themselves to the teeth which we are kind of witnessing with America's blatant attack on Iraq. Which the international community DID NOT recognize.

China took over Tibet and since Tibet doesn't have too many international allies? No one said anything.

Other then that? We have no such incidents happening in modern times, other then maybe the Falkland Islands?? I believe the Falkland Islands DO belong to Spanish Argentina! And the British should have no claim to the Island, but since the British had a claim for so long and the Inhabitants preferred to live under British rule? The international community, just let it slide, but the Island DOES belong to Argentina, and I believe they will eventually gain the land back!
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I don't see any of those supposed modern nations clamoring for hussein to be re-installed, or for the taliban to be re-installed, do you?
 
Damocles said:
It's silly to ignore the fact that Jews lived in Israel before 1948. If such was not the case there never would be a bombing at King David Hotel... Likely there wouldn't have been a King David Hotel...

The reality is Jewish people lived there too. The problem is the Brits promised the same land to two different peoples.
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Yes Jews and Arabs have lived peacefully together in the land of Palestine for a very long time. Though it has been predominantly Muslim for many, many centuries. The mass immigration of jews occured after world war I

Yes, the land was promised to two different people....
 
bravo said:
the Neo-Nazi count so far.....

Wiseone2cents
Apple
Socrtease
wanderingbear
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Fuck off! I am not antisemitic in the least. I am anti-Israeli government. The Israeli's oppress ALL Palestinians, not just the terrorists. If a Palestinian is involved in an act of terrorism the Israeli government destroys the home of his family. If the US government leveled Timothy McVeigh's families house people in this country would have had a fit and rightfully so. What the Israeli government does to Palestinians is a crime, but because we support them nothing will ever be done.
 
Damocles said:
It's silly to ignore the fact that Jews lived in Israel before 1948. If such was not the case there never would be a bombing at King David Hotel... Likely there wouldn't have been a King David Hotel...

The reality is Jewish people lived there too. The problem is the Brits promised the same land to two different peoples.
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The King David Hotel was blown up by the Irgun, which was commanded by Menachem Begin who was born in Brest in the Russian empire. MOST of the Jews involved in the fighting were born in Europe and their families had no connection to Israel at all, unless you want to count the fact that their ancestors were thrown out in 70 A.D.
 
Socrtease said:
Fuck off! I am not antisemitic in the least. I am anti-Israeli government. The Israeli's oppress ALL Palestinians, not just the terrorists. If a Palestinian is involved in an act of terrorism the Israeli government destroys the home of his family. If the US government leveled Timothy McVeigh's families house people in this country would have had a fit and rightfully so. What the Israeli government does to Palestinians is a crime, but because we support them nothing will ever be done.
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Fuck off! I am not antisemitic in the least. I am anti-Israeli government. The Israeli's oppress ALL Palestinians


A distinction without a difference.....no different than a racist saying some of my best friends are black ......
 
Native Americans have a more legitimate claim to parts of the US than the Jews did to all of Israel in 1948. Most Jews that came to Israel were European or Russian. In 1946 there were only 543,000 Jews in Israel which had a total population of 1.8 million. 70% of the Population was Non-Jewish, 30 years before independence there were only 60,000 Jews in Israel. To claim that they had a legitimate right to all of Israel in 1948 is to ignore the reality of the situation. It wasn't until 1948 that there were a majority and that is because actions by the Irgun and the Stern Gang sent the Muslim population into flight to neighboring countries. This is by definition in the modern world a war crime.
 
bravo said:
Fuck off! I am not antisemitic in the least. I am anti-Israeli government. The Israeli's oppress ALL Palestinians


A distinction without a difference.....no different than a racist saying some of my best friends are black ......
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I am also anti-Pat Robertson, that does not make me anti-Christian. The Israeli Government sucks, the fact that they are Jewish is secondary to the fact that they are Totalitarians. This however is the tactic of the Israeli government and their mindless pawns. Any criticism of Israel is call antisemitism to silence the criticism. Same as when Obama supporters call Obama critics racist.
 
Socrtease said:
Native Americans have a more legitimate claim to parts of the US than the Jews did to all of Israel in 1948. Most Jews that came to Israel were European or Russian. In 1946 there were only 543,000 Jews in Israel which had a total population of 1.8 million. 70% of the Population was Non-Jewish, 30 years before independence there were only 60,000 Jews in Israel. To claim that they had a legitimate right to all of Israel in 1948 is to ignore the reality of the situation. It wasn't until 1948 that there were a majority and that is because actions by the Irgun and the Stern Gang sent the Muslim population into flight to neighboring countries. This is by definition in the modern world a war crime.
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That is why they are a counterfeit state and most American protestants that support them are being deceived.
 
wiseones2cents said:
REALLY??? SHOW ME PROOF!! That Hamas admitted this!!! I've seen old maps from the last 2000 years all showing PALESTINE as a region! NONE of them refer to the land as Israel NOR Judea!
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No one denies the existence of a region called Palestine...(along with other names for the region) all incorporated within other empires....inhabited by several tribes of people
including Syrians, Arabs, Jews and various others small groups....Palestine was a PLACE, not a PEOPLE

c. 1000 - 922
BCE Legendary Hebrew kings David and Solomon reigned --King David is credited with creating the kingdom of Israel, “the first nation the Hebrews could call their own,” after “fighting his father [King Saul] over the rule of the states of Israel and Judah” and unifying the “disparate Hebrew tribes” of early Palestine --King Solomon's reign (circa 960-922 BCE), called the "Golden Age of Israel," was time of peace and prosperity,” during which “the Israelites fortified their cities and built a magnificent temple in Jerusalem, where worship of Yahweh was centered” .The First Temple in Jerusalem, considered King Solomon’s “crowning achievement and the Hebrews’ premier religious monument,” reputedly housed “the Ark of the Covenant”--i.e. the “stones on which were inscribed the Ten Commandments”
 
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