Israeli archaeologist ; No evidence to support Israelites. Old Testament is a myth.

[Cypress]

Once an author is caught in a lie- ..................................................

You weren't there three thousand years ago when Torah was being written, and you can't know what the motivation of the people who wrote it were.

History as a genre of writing hadn't even been invented yet. And it wouldn't be until Herodotus a thousand years later. So the authors of Torah weren't writing factual historical narrative in any way we would understand.

The stories they wrote were probably intended to provide a cosmological, metaphysical, and moral framework for how they lived.

 

[Grokmaster]

Origins of Islam are a myth, then, as well.

 

[moon]

You weren't there three thousand years ago when Torah was being written, and you can't know what the motivation of the people who wrote it were.

The motive of liars isn't difficult to determine- nor is the motive of fabrication of dating.

The stories they wrote were probably intended to provide a cosmological, metaphysical, and moral framework for how they lived.

Fiction has many roots.

 

[moon]

Origins of Islam are a myth, then, as well.

Islam is quite recent- and many Jews converted to Islam , we're told. Maybe they brought their myths with them, maybe the myths were borrowed.
My personal belief is that NO RELIGION should be forced upon children, particularly those known to be fabrications.

 

[Phyllis Diller]

The fact you believe making racist and antisemitic posts isn't advocating hate is another reason you're making your WSE friends a good patsy, Fredo.

no it isn't.

that's not a reason for that.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

no it isn't.

that's not a reason for that.

You're free to disagree with me, Patsy. That's the difference between me and political extremists such as yourself and those in violent political groups. I'm a centrist who evaluates positions based upon logic and both American principles and laws. The extremists always seek to harm others, be it physically, mentally, economically or politically. They care passionately about themselves, but not other Americans. Even to the point of mass murder such as often posted about by STY, Stone and the other JPP keyboard commando squad.

You seek to harm Americans politically and, IMO, you support groups that are willing to use violence against Americans even if you refuse to participate in their violence.

Violent political groups have no respect for cowards and/or pussified supporters, therefore they have no qualms about making use of them as patsies or cannon fodder. It could be "Hey Fredo, please drive the van to the laundry in China Town, bud!" or something more political, albeit as deadly for you such as push you to participate in a peaceful RW protest or parade with you featured prominently in it then have a WSE "Antifa/BLM" in blackface double-tap you on video. Kinda like they filmed the Rittenhouse fiasco.

The hard part of such an operation is ensuring that the shooter got away. If it was revealed that he was a RWNJ WSE terrorist in blackface, that would cause severe blowback. Ergo, besides whacking the patsy to create a RW martyr (lucky you!) the shooter must be protected and successfully escape with zero evidence other than a shadowy "negro-looking" or "Jew-looking" assassin.

It's not that turning someone like you into a patsy is difficult, it's a matter of will. Both the will to do it and the will to take the risk if things go wrong. In the above scenario, if caught, everyone involved with the conspiracy to martyrize you would be guilty of felony murder. Not a lawyer, but that's my understanding of the situation.

 

[Phyllis Diller]

You're free to disagree with me, Patsy. That's the difference between me and political extremists such as yourself and those in violent political groups. I'm a centrist who evaluates positions based upon logic and both American principles and laws. The extremists always seek to harm others, be it physically, mentally, economically or politically. They care passionately about themselves, but not other Americans. Even to the point of mass murder such as often posted about by STY, Stone and the other JPP keyboard commando squad.

You seek to harm Americans politically and, IMO, you support groups that are willing to use violence against Americans even if you refuse to participate in their violence.

Violent political groups have no respect for cowards and/or pussified supporters, therefore they have no qualms about making use of them as patsies or cannon fodder. It could be "Hey Fredo, please drive the van to the laundry in China Town, bud!" or something more political, albeit as deadly for you such as push you to participate in a peaceful RW protest or parade with you featured prominently in it then have a WSE "Antifa/BLM" in blackface double-tap you on video. Kinda like they filmed the Rittenhouse fiasco.

The hard part of such an operation is ensuring that the shooter got away. If it was revealed that he was a RWNJ WSE terrorist in blackface, that would cause severe blowback. Ergo, besides whacking the patsy to create a RW martyr (lucky you!) the shooter must be protected and successfully escape with zero evidence other than a shadowy "negro-looking" or "Jew-looking" assassin.

It's not that turning someone like you into a patsy is difficult, it's a matter of will. Both the will to do it and the will to take the risk if things go wrong. In the above scenario, if caught, everyone involved with the conspiracy to martyrize you would be guilty of felony murder. Not a lawyer, but that's my understanding of the situation.

so why is it smart to send all the jobs to china and rely on a geopolitical foe for baby formula and pharmaceuticals?

splain it smartypants.

 

[Cypress]

The motive of liars isn't difficult to determine- nor is the motive of fabrication of dating.



Fiction has many roots.

All the scriptures of the all the major world religions contain mythology and allegory.

The fact that you specifically and studiously avoid criticizing other religions in just one more factoid that supports the conclusion you are an antisemite.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

so why is it smart to send all the jobs to china and rely on a geopolitical foe for baby formula and pharmaceuticals?

splain it smartypants.

It's not. Then again, it's not smart to keep the public only smart enough to buy the latest widget for sale but too fucking stupid to work in high-tech jobs, especially engineers and management. Allowing the corporations to do your thinking for you is not smart either. Why do you think those supplies were allowed to weaken us such as the baby formula fiasco? Who was responsible for that except for the corporations which profited from it?


Yes, our supply lines need to be secure, but that is not justification to take it from others. It should be incentive to do better. Work smarter, not harder. Do you really want to be digging ditches and family working in sweat shops in the US?

 

[Phyllis Diller]

It's not. Then again, it's not smart to keep the public only smart enough to buy the latest widget for sale but too fucking stupid to work in high-tech jobs, especially engineers and management. Allowing the corporations to do your thinking for you is not smart either. Why do you think those supplies were allowed to weaken us such as the baby formula fiasco? Who was responsible for that except for the corporations which profited from it?


Yes, our supply lines need to be secure, but that is not justification to take it from others. It should be incentive to do better. Work smarter, not harder. Do you really want to be digging ditches and family working in sweat shops in the US?

biden is promising china more economic security by mandating electrics cars and subsequently massive chinese battery usage and dependancy.

biden regime and the Paris accords are the enemies of the american people.


youre on the wrong side, traitor.

 

[goat]

It doesn't, by itself. It's your behavior and personality profile over the long term. Including the posts I researched on you. You accept ChatGPT but can't understand computer profiling someone after 65,000+ posts is easier than writing an essay?

You're free to believe in your own fantasies, Fredo. It's part of your Patsy Profile.

Is there evidence of Hebrews in Egypt?

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Is there evidence of Hebrews in Egypt?

Not an archeologist. Is there?

 

[Dutch Uncle]

biden is promising china more economic security by mandating electrics cars and subsequently massive chinese battery usage and dependancy.

biden regime and the Paris accords are the enemies of the american people.


youre on the wrong side, traitor.

Why aren't we building more electric cars in the US?

 

[Saint Guinefort]

Not an archeologist. Is there?

I've read that there is actually scant evidence of large scale enslavement of the Israelites in Egypt and there's almost no evidence of multiple years of wandering in the Sinai. I'm sure there must have been some Israelite slaves in Egypt, just not Exodus-levels.

 

[Saint Guinefort]

No, there is historical information in the TaNaKh that even historical scholars agee upon

The OT is a great mix of history and myth. The stories of David running around the cities of ancient Egypt apparently includes some cities that wouldn't have existed in David's nominal time.

That's the cool thing about the OT: it doesn't have to be one or the other. Like all human endeavors it appears to be a complex mix of what was known and unknown.

The prophet Micah, and the parables of the Good Samaritan and the prodigal son may not be literally true. But that does nothing to diminish their transformative power.

That's the best part even of the NT. Even if one doesn't believe that Jesus was God or even if he existed, the teachings are fantastic. There's a lot of good in the BIble (along with a lot of evil) and that can be honored and celebrated and even used to live good lives.

 

[Phyllis Diller]

Why aren't we building more electric cars in the US?

business is not investing in any american manufacturing in most things because the looming paris accords war on fossil fuel is an anti-growth austerity policy, designed to hamstring american production, and to favor china, who has basically cornered the market on key natural resources needed to make batteries.

green is traitorism.

 

[Saint Guinefort]

You weren't there three thousand years ago when Torah was being written, and you can't know what the motivation of the people who wrote it were.

History as a genre of writing hadn't even been invented yet. And it wouldn't be until Herodotus a thousand years later. So the authors of Torah weren't writing factual historical narrative in any way we would understand.

Even Herodotus wrote about flying snakes.

The stories they wrote were probably intended to provide a cosmological, metaphysical, and moral framework for how they lived.

^^^^QFT.

Also political reasons since early Israel was a theocracy. I always assumed that Deuteronomy (which some scholars think was the lost book found in the Temple by Hilkiah during the reign of Josiah) was a naked attempt to gin up new words of God for political-theological reasons. I'm sure I could be quite mistaken, but usually when a "lost book of the law" is found suddenly it doesn't necessarily indicate a legitimate find.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

All the scriptures of the all the major world religions contain mythology and allegory.

The fact that you specifically and studiously avoid criticizing other religions in just one more factoid that supports the conclusion you are an antisemite.

Including her own.

Agreed on conclusions. It's a smart move to not criticize Christians on a predominantly Christian forum. Lip-service or not.

Isn't there an Arab proverb about the enemy of my enemy is my friend? Cuddling up to Neo-Nazi Christians against Jews would work for Jihadist interests. Notice how the US brought the Shia's and the Sunnis together for a couple of decades? LOL

 

[Dutch Uncle]

business is not investing in any american manufacturing in most things because the looming paris accords war on fossil fuel is an anti-growth austerity policy, designed to hamstring american production, and to favor china, who has basically cornered the market on key natural resources needed to make batteries.

green is traitorism.

You think your corporate overlords didn't see this coming years ago? They're trying to wring out as much profit as possible before advancing to future tech. Meanwhile, the other nations will have passed us by.

China is going to sell their computer chips to someone. They need the money. If the US doesn't buy theirs, who will the Chinese sell to instead?

 

[Dutch Uncle]

I've read that there is actually scant evidence of large scale enslavement of the Israelites in Egypt and there's almost no evidence of multiple years of wandering in the Sinai. I'm sure there must have been some Israelite slaves in Egypt, just not Exodus-levels.

Any evidence of when or where the story originated? Myths are often mixed with factual events. Maybe one tribe suffered and the story grew over the years? Later to be mixed with Moses? Without a time machine, not all stories can be proved or disproved, except for those based on natural law. I'm sure the story of the Red Sea may have grown over time. One interesting theory is wind setdown on the Eastern Nile:

https://opensky.ucar.edu/islandora/object/articles:10312/datastream/PDF/view

The crossing remains open for 7.4 hours
under 33 m/s winds, but these stronger winds may render walking
too difficult for a mixed group of people. The Kedua Gap and its
environs present an interesting hydrodynamic phenomenon for
those interested in the history and geography of the eastern Nile
delta.