Israel Wall Doesnt Work

Legion said:
As long as you think they agree with you, right, grandpa?

BTW, an former Israeli mayor isn't "Fox News", and I suspect you can't identify the wall he's talking about, because you didn't watch the interview.

Then there's this:

Israeli officials (including the head of the Shin Bet) said that in the areas where the barrier was complete, the number of hostile infiltrations has decreased to almost zero. They also stated that Palestinian militants, including a senior member of Islamic Jihad, had confirmed that the barrier made it much harder to conduct attacks inside Israel. Since the completion of the fence in the area of Tulkarm and Qalqilyah in June 2003, there have been no successful attacks from those areas. All attacks were intercepted or the suicide bombers detonated prematurely." In a March 23, 2008 interview, Palestinian Islamic Jihad leader Ramadan Shalah complained to the Qatari newspaper Al-Sharq that the separation barrier "limits the ability of the resistance."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_West_Bank_barrier#Effectiveness
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There are two concepts here that you should be able to deal with. I know that's not likely to happen so I'll explain it to you. Terrorist attacks are indeed way down in Israel. They are down from intelligence work not from the wall. this was explained in the article and confirmed by Israeli intelligence so I'll go with them instead of your b*******
 
Grumpy said:
You got me on the award thing I thought I had seen them win but it looks like I was wrong. Good for you. But that doesn't mean that media that has won awards makes them any more unbiased.
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Well, we’ll have to disagree, there are standards to win certain awards.
 
katzgutz said:
There are two concepts here that you should be able to deal with. I know that's not likely to happen so I'll explain it to you. Terrorist attacks are indeed way down in Israel. They are down from intelligence work not from the wall. this was explained in the article and confirmed by Israeli intelligence so I'll go with them instead of your b*******
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So you say, oldster.

You could always try to prove your point by flying to Israel and posting a video of yourself successfully scaling a wall, grandpa.

I'll understand if you don't.
 
Phantasist said:
Well, we’ll have to disagree, there are standards to win certain awards.
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Like being liberal-leaning, imbecile?

Fun fact: CNN's "journalist of the year" is a fraud who embezzled money intended to help Syrian kids in crisis.

https://www.thewrap.com/former-winner-of-cnns-journalist-of-the-year-admits-he-fabricated-stories/

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46666389

 
Legion said:
So you say, oldster.

You could always try to prove your point by flying to Israel and posting a video of yourself successfully scaling a wall, grandpa.

I'll understand if you don't.
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figured you werent smart enough to follow it but I ave it a shot anyway.
 
Phantasmal said:
Really, do you have proof of this, I’d be interested, thanks
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Who owns Al Jazeera? Qatar who is know to support the Muslim Brotherhood and Hamas is the owner.


Here are just a few of the allegations of Al Jazeera bias.

"Israeli–Palestinian conflict[edit]
As a major news outlet in the Middle East, Al Jazeera's editorial positions are often subject to increased levels of scrutiny.
During the Second Intifada Palestinians killed by Israelis were referred to as 'martyrs' while Israelis killed by Palestinians were not.[46]
On the 2008 release in an Israel-Hezbollah deal of Samir Kuntar, who had murdered Four Israelis in 1979, including a 4-year-old girl, Al Jazeera Arabic threw him a party: "Brother Samir, we wish to celebrate your birthday with you," crowed the station's Beirut bureau chief, hailing Kuntar as a "pan-Arab hero."[47][48]
On 13 March 2008, Israel announced a "boycott" of the Arabic broadcaster al-Jazeera, accusing it of bias particularly during coverage of the conflict in the Gaza Strip and of slanted coverage favoring Hamas. Ministers will refuse to do interviews and according to some reports, will deny visa applications from its staff. Israeli Deputy Foreign Minister Majali Wahbe accused the Qatari-owned station of prioritizing/focusing exclusively on Palestinian suffering, and ignoring Israeli suffering. "We have seen that Al-Jazeera has become part of Hamas ... taking sides and cooperating with people who are enemies of the state of Israel," said Wahbe, a Druze Arab. "The moment a station like Al-Jazeera gives unreliable reports, represents only one side, and doesn't present the positions of the other side, why should we cooperate?", adding: "These reports are untrustworthy and they hurt us, and they arouse people to terrorist activities." Israeli officials backed their claim by saying al-Jazeera had covered the Gaza incursion but not the Palestinian rocket attacks against the Israeli city of Ashkelon. Wahabi said that the Israeli Foreign Ministry would send letters of complaint to the government of Qatar and Al Jazeera. Officials of Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas' Fatah party also accuse al-Jazeera of being biased in favour of Hamas, with which it is at political loggerheads, and prominent Fatah official and former Gaza strongman Mohammed Dahlan has organized a lawsuit against the broadcaster.[49][50][51][52] Al-Jazeera eventually agreed to discuss coverage of Mideast conflict,[53] and the issue was apparently settled.
In February 2009, Israel again imposed sanctions on Al Jazeera after Qatar closed the Israeli trade office in Doha in protest to the Gaza War. Initially, Israel contemplated declaring Al Jazeera a hostile entity and shutting down its Israel offices, but after a legal review, the Israeli government decided instead to impose limited measures to restrict Al Jazeera's activities in the country. All Al Jazeera employees would not have their visas renewed, and the Israeli government would issue no new visas. Al Jazeera staff would also not be allowed to attend government briefings and reduced access to government and military offices or interview Knesset members. The station would only be allowed access to three official spokespersons: The Prime Minister's Office, the Foreign Ministry, and the IDF Spokesperson's Unit.[54]
On 15 July 2009, the Palestinian National Authority closed down Al Jazeera's offices in the West Bank, apparently in response to claims made on the channel by Farouk Kaddoumi that PA President Mahmoud Abbas had been involved in the death of Yasser Arafat. In a statement announcing the decision, the Palestinian Information Ministry said the station's coverage was "unbalanced" and accused it of incitement against the PLO and the PA.[55]
On 19 July 2009, President Abbas rescinded the ban and allowed Al Jazeera to resume operations.[56]
In August 2011, Samer Allawi, Al Jazeera's Afghanistan bureau chief, was arrested by Israeli authorities on charges of being a member of Hamas. Walied Al-Omary, Al Jazeera's bureau chief in Israel and the Palestinian territories, said the military court accused Allawi of making contact with members of Hamas's armed wing.[57] A co-leader of The Committee to Protect Journalists said "Israel must clarify why it continues to hold Samer Allawi."[58][59] Allawi was held in prison over a month, he was charged $1400 fine after pleading guilty to having met with Hamas, a militant group seen as a terrorist group by Israel and most of the West."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Jazeera_controversies_and_criticism#cite_note-60

Sorry but I am a little skeptical that Qatar's news media is fair and balanced.
 
Grumpy said:
Who owns Al Jazeera? Qatar who is know to support the Muslim Brotherhood and Hamas is the owner.
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Very few countries consider either HAMAS or the Muslim Brotherhood to be ' terrorists '. You happen to live in one that has its policy directed by an actual terrorist state- Izrael.

Do you know how many Palestinians these terrorists have killed ?

Al Jazeera challenges your conditioning - that's why you object to it by default.
 
Grumpy said:
Who owns Al Jazeera? Qatar who is know to support the Muslim Brotherhood and Hamas is the owner.


Here are just a few of the allegations of Al Jazeera bias.

"Israeli–Palestinian conflict[edit]
As a major news outlet in the Middle East, Al Jazeera's editorial positions are often subject to increased levels of scrutiny.
During the Second Intifada Palestinians killed by Israelis were referred to as 'martyrs' while Israelis killed by Palestinians were not.[46]
On the 2008 release in an Israel-Hezbollah deal of Samir Kuntar, who had murdered Four Israelis in 1979, including a 4-year-old girl, Al Jazeera Arabic threw him a party: "Brother Samir, we wish to celebrate your birthday with you," crowed the station's Beirut bureau chief, hailing Kuntar as a "pan-Arab hero."[47][48]
On 13 March 2008, Israel announced a "boycott" of the Arabic broadcaster al-Jazeera, accusing it of bias particularly during coverage of the conflict in the Gaza Strip and of slanted coverage favoring Hamas. Ministers will refuse to do interviews and according to some reports, will deny visa applications from its staff. Israeli Deputy Foreign Minister Majali Wahbe accused the Qatari-owned station of prioritizing/focusing exclusively on Palestinian suffering, and ignoring Israeli suffering. "We have seen that Al-Jazeera has become part of Hamas ... taking sides and cooperating with people who are enemies of the state of Israel," said Wahbe, a Druze Arab. "The moment a station like Al-Jazeera gives unreliable reports, represents only one side, and doesn't present the positions of the other side, why should we cooperate?", adding: "These reports are untrustworthy and they hurt us, and they arouse people to terrorist activities." Israeli officials backed their claim by saying al-Jazeera had covered the Gaza incursion but not the Palestinian rocket attacks against the Israeli city of Ashkelon. Wahabi said that the Israeli Foreign Ministry would send letters of complaint to the government of Qatar and Al Jazeera. Officials of Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas' Fatah party also accuse al-Jazeera of being biased in favour of Hamas, with which it is at political loggerheads, and prominent Fatah official and former Gaza strongman Mohammed Dahlan has organized a lawsuit against the broadcaster.[49][50][51][52] Al-Jazeera eventually agreed to discuss coverage of Mideast conflict,[53] and the issue was apparently settled.
In February 2009, Israel again imposed sanctions on Al Jazeera after Qatar closed the Israeli trade office in Doha in protest to the Gaza War. Initially, Israel contemplated declaring Al Jazeera a hostile entity and shutting down its Israel offices, but after a legal review, the Israeli government decided instead to impose limited measures to restrict Al Jazeera's activities in the country. All Al Jazeera employees would not have their visas renewed, and the Israeli government would issue no new visas. Al Jazeera staff would also not be allowed to attend government briefings and reduced access to government and military offices or interview Knesset members. The station would only be allowed access to three official spokespersons: The Prime Minister's Office, the Foreign Ministry, and the IDF Spokesperson's Unit.[54]
On 15 July 2009, the Palestinian National Authority closed down Al Jazeera's offices in the West Bank, apparently in response to claims made on the channel by Farouk Kaddoumi that PA President Mahmoud Abbas had been involved in the death of Yasser Arafat. In a statement announcing the decision, the Palestinian Information Ministry said the station's coverage was "unbalanced" and accused it of incitement against the PLO and the PA.[55]
On 19 July 2009, President Abbas rescinded the ban and allowed Al Jazeera to resume operations.[56]
In August 2011, Samer Allawi, Al Jazeera's Afghanistan bureau chief, was arrested by Israeli authorities on charges of being a member of Hamas. Walied Al-Omary, Al Jazeera's bureau chief in Israel and the Palestinian territories, said the military court accused Allawi of making contact with members of Hamas's armed wing.[57] A co-leader of The Committee to Protect Journalists said "Israel must clarify why it continues to hold Samer Allawi."[58][59] Allawi was held in prison over a month, he was charged $1400 fine after pleading guilty to having met with Hamas, a militant group seen as a terrorist group by Israel and most of the West."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Jazeera_controversies_and_criticism#cite_note-60

Sorry but I am a little skeptical that Qatar's news media is fair and balanced.
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I am sure you know the difference between an editorial and reporting the news, correct? There are many editorials of award winning news agencies that are biased one way or another. The actual coverage of an event is different from editorials. I have seen media publish editorials on both sides of the issues.

I have to research these items before I can comment on them.
 
katzgar said:
There are two concepts here that you should be able to deal with. I know that's not likely to happen so I'll explain it to you. Terrorist attacks are indeed way down in Israel. They are down from intelligence work not from the wall. this was explained in the article and confirmed by Israeli intelligence so I'll go with them instead of your b*******
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There is only one concept you need to deal with, youre a nasty cunt.
 
https://www.azcentral.com/story/opi...ump-border-wall-learn-israel-first/678600001/

Although sections of concrete wall are most often pictured in the media, these account for only 3 percent of the barrier, primarily in residential areas and along highways where Palestinian snipers had targeted Israeli citizens.

The remaining 97 percent consists of a double chain link fence flanking a dirt patrol road. Enhanced with electronic sensors that alert the Israel Defense Forces to movement along the fence, its object is less to stop infiltrators than to deter, detect and track them.
 
Phantasmal said:
I am sure you know the difference between an editorial and reporting the news, correct? There are many editorials of award winning news agencies that are biased one way or another. The actual coverage of an event is different from editorials. I have seen media publish editorials on both sides of the issues.

I have to research these items before I can comment on them.
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I couldn’t find much of what was claimed by Wiki, hard to verify but Israel’s complaining seems par for the course. When someone outs your crimes, who wouldn’t protest.
 
Old Trapper said:
https://www.azcentral.com/story/opi...ump-border-wall-learn-israel-first/678600001/

Although sections of concrete wall are most often pictured in the media, these account for only 3 percent of the barrier, primarily in residential areas and along highways where Palestinian snipers had targeted Israeli citizens.

The remaining 97 percent consists of a double chain link fence flanking a dirt patrol road. Enhanced with electronic sensors that alert the Israel Defense Forces to movement along the fence, its object is less to stop infiltrators than to deter, detect and track them.
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I saw a picture on Twitter of Palestinians scaling the wall to go to work. No wall is impenetrable.
 
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