Israel arming gangs in Gaza

[martin]

"War is Hell". Bibi is determined to finish the war once and for all. No more October 7ths. Never again.

Creating a justification for hate is a recipe for another October 7th.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Creating a justification for hate is a recipe for another October 7th.

That's been the excuse for 77 years. Wiping out the source of terrorism is now the price of peace.

 

[martin]

That's been the excuse for 77 years. Wiping out the source of terrorism is now the price of peace.

Sources such as criminal gangs.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Sources such as criminal gangs.

War is hell. That's why most experienced military personnel don't like starting wars while most chickenhawks do.

The fact remains this has been going on for 77 years and October 7th appears to be the straw that broke the camel's back. "Never again".

That doesn't mean I like it or even agree with it, just that I recognize what is happening and why.

Why hasn't the UN moved peacekeepers in there? Why haven't the Arabs opened their doors to refugees like they did to Syrians and Libyans? Why were Palestinian terrorists funded with weapons and training but not tourist hotels and factories making souvenirs?

Please answer me this: If Israel pulled out today, how long before there's another terrorist attack in Israel? Not even something like October 7th, just a run-of-the-mill suicide bombing in a market or on a bus or a mass shooting of shoppers?

If you can say "Never", then I'm with you 100% to push the Israelis out of Gaza. If the answer is "a year or so", then maybe you'll understand why the Israeli leadership would be remiss not to finish this once and for all.

 

[martin]

War is hell. That's why most experienced military personnel don't like starting wars while most chickenhawks do.

The fact remains this has been going on for 77 years and October 7th appears to be the straw that broke the camel's back. "Never again".

That doesn't mean I like it or even agree with it, just that I recognize what is happening and why.

Why hasn't the UN moved peacekeepers in there? Why haven't the Arabs opened their doors to refugees like they did to Syrians and Libyans? Why were Palestinian terrorists funded with weapons and training but not tourist hotels and factories making souvenirs?

Please answer me this: If Israel pulled out today, how long before there's another terrorist attack in Israel? Not even something like October 7th, just a run-of-the-mill suicide bombing in a market or on a bus or a mass shooting of shoppers?

If you can say "Never", then I'm with you 100% to push the Israelis out of Gaza. If the answer is "a year or so", then maybe you'll understand why the Israeli leadership would be remiss not to finish this once and for all.

We have different views on this. If it were up me, Bibi would be in prison.

 

[IBDaMann]

So, a guy in Arabic garb with a taqiyah on is somehow "Israeli Terroris Forces" (sic) hum? Prove that.

You really are an intellectually lazy tool who is totally dependent upon others to do his thinking for him, which is why in this case that you will only regurgitate what Israel tells you to believe, and why no mountain of incontrovertible evidence can cause you to modify your opinion.

The Israeli police unit responsible for the assassination, who were supposed to be arresting Rami al Kakhn, and who could have easily arrested him when he clearly surrendered with arms fully raised, responded to the accusation of mafia execution by claiming only that "he was armed," a claim that is not supported by any evidence.

Have you checked The Times of Israel? I didn't think so.

Otherwise, that video could be criminal activity or Arabic political sect v. Arabic political sect.

Nope. It couldn't be that. You would know that if you had done even a modicum of independent research.

It's not as if the Arabs are monolithic in their political views.

Correct. It's that you are.

 

[moon]

"War is Hell". Bibi is determined to finish the war once and for all. No more October 7ths. Never again.

Bibi is a demented pseudo-Jewish goblin RESPONSIBLE for the October 7th REPRISAL;


The blockade exacerbated the humanitarian situation stemming from Israel’s 16-year-long sweeping restrictions on the movement of people and goods into and out of Gaza. The prolonged closure, as well as Egyptian restrictions on its border with Gaza, has deprived the 2.2 million Palestinians of Gaza, with rare exceptions, of their right to freedom of movement and opportunities to better their lives; severely limited their access to electricity, health care, and water; and devastated the economy.

In the West Bank, Israeli forces in 2023 killed 492 Palestinians, including 120 children, according to the United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs (OCHA), more than twice as many as in any other year since 2005, when the UN began systematically recording fatalities. This includes unlawful killings stemming from Israel’s regular use of excessive lethal force and some cases of extrajudicial executions.



During the first half of 2023, the Israeli government approved building 12,855 new housing units in Israeli settlements in the occupied West Bank, the highest number the Israeli group Peace Now, which has been systematically tracking plans since 2012, has ever recorded. The transfer of civilians into occupied territory is a war crime.

During the first eight months of 2023, incidents of settler violence against Palestinians and their property reached their highest daily average since the UN started recording this data in 2006; an average of three incidents a day, compared with two a day in 2022 and one in 2021. That rate further increased after October 7. OCHA recorded 1,227 incidents of settler violence in 2023 that resulted in casualties and/or property damage, more than in any year since it started recording incidents involving settlers in 2006.

Israeli authorities’ repression of Palestinians, undertaken as part of a policy to maintain the domination of Jewish Israelis over Palestinians, amount to the crimes against humanity of apartheid and persecution.

Israel/Palestine: Unprecedented Killings, Repression

Civilians were targeted, attacked, abused, and killed over the past year at a scale unprecedented in the recent history of Israel and Palestine.

www.hrw.org

 

[moon]

We have different views on this. If it were up me, Bibi would be in prison.

It IS up to you. And me. Make it happen.

 

[IBDaMann]

Hamas was responsible for the attack,

Nope. Al Qassam attacked Israel. Hamas wasn't even aware of the attack until it happened. Hamas (who are now all dead) were simply Gaza's public administrators, like your county government. The Ayatollah had no reason to involve Gaza's administrators in Iran's attack on Israel.

Since 1979, Iran has been the only attacker of Israel. All of Guno's boooolsch't about Arabs trying eradicate Israel is bunk; only Iran is trying to eradicate Israel. Israelis simply HATE Arabs; they always have and they always will. Unfortunately, Israel has convinced American Christians to also HATE Arabs.

 

[IBDaMann]

 

[Into the Night]

... says the religiously-motivated liar. There's no honest discussion to be had with you.

Mantra 30a. Termination fallacy.

... no hope at all.

Obviously, when you deliberately conflate, you mean to deliberately conflate. No one is accusing you of being honest.

I am not conflating anything. YOU ARE. You cannot blame me for YOUR problem.

The IDF started the genocide.

There is no genocide.

You are bent over furniture.

Cliche fallacy.

There is no genocide to which you are allowed to admit.

There is no genocide at all.

You abhor Arabs and support their eradication.

I don't abhor Arabs. Education helps anyone, including Arabs.

I see that your thought-masters have you mindlessly chanting.

Inversion fallacy.

Of course not. The Arab children are spontaneously self-maiming and dying of their wounds.

There is no genocide.

The Team Israel congregation is the most evil group of people on the planet.

Israel was attacked by Hamas.

 

[Into the Night]

The Israeli Terroris Forces have no plans to take any prisoners. The joke is on any Arab who tries to surrender. Arab women waving white flags only make themselves a better target. Raising one's arms to surrender simply tells the Israelis when to pull the trigger.

White flags don't mean anything in such a war. Hamas fighters attack under color of a white flag.

 

[Into the Night]

You’re a fool if you believe Bibi’s genocide will end the violence against Israel.

There is no genocide, Phanty.

 

[Into the Night]

Nope. Al Qassam attacked Israel.

Hamas attacked Israel.

Hamas wasn't even aware of the attack until it happened.

They were fully aware, since they planned it.

Hamas (who are now all dead)

They are not dead.

were simply Gaza's public administrators, like your county government. The Ayatollah had no reason to involve Gaza's administrators in Iran's attack on Israel.

Hamas attacked Israel, not Iran.

Since 1979, Iran has been the only attacker of Israel.

Hamas attacked Israel, not Iran.

All of Guno's boooolsch't about Arabs trying eradicate Israel is bunk; only Iran is trying to eradicate Israel.

Blatant lie.

Israelis simply HATE Arabs;

No, they don't.

they always have and they always will.

No, they don't.

Unfortunately, Israel has convinced American Christians to also HATE Arabs.

No, I don't.

 

[Into the Night]

You really are an intellectually lazy tool who is totally dependent upon others to do his thinking for him,

You are describing yourself here.

which is why in this case that you will only regurgitate what Israel tells you to believe, and why no mountain of incontrovertible evidence can cause you to modify your opinion.

You are describing yourself and Hamas here.

The Israeli police unit responsible for the assassination, who were supposed to be arresting Rami al Kakhn, and who could have easily arrested him when he clearly surrendered with arms fully raised, responded to the accusation of mafia execution by claiming only that "he was armed," a claim that is not supported by any evidence.

He was armed. They recovered the handgun.

Have you checked The Times of Israel? I didn't think so.

Nice and quick.

Nope. It couldn't be that. You would know that if you had done even a modicum of independent research.

They shot the guy. That's war.