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Right there in black & white, USF.
You can't even keep track of what we're talking about.
Islam hates us?
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Right there in black & white, USF.
You can't even keep track of what we're talking about.
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Please show me where I mentioned you blaming Trump for terrorists attacks; because you tried this once before and were shown to be a liar.
By the way, your posts are becoming more and more Desh like; when you find it necessary to post to follow ups, with in 1 minute of each other, instead of just editing your previous post.
As I keep saying - your analogy relies on that assumption.
It's funny that I have to actually explain your own analogies to you.
Leonthecat
Racism Watchdog
Are you allowed back into APP yet or for that matter, Darla's Vajayjay??
She is such a gossipy old fart, isn't she.
oh please. Wahhabi isn't about the west -it's how SA became a kingdom, and being a kingdom . It's a tawhid movement -a reaction of veneration of tombs.
If I hear one more ignorant westerner trying to say Wahhabi causes AQ i'll throw up ( no personal disrespect intended)..
Proof of this is SA is at war with al_Qaeda; but for the westerners who think it's knowledgable to toss around terms;
maybe they should ask themselves why SA and al-Qaeda are at war. al-Qaeda has been bombing the Kingdom for years.
No they could not "wipe out ISIS" ISIS is deeply entrenched in the cities as well as control of the countryside.
ISIS will be defeated -they are being rolled back - but SA is tied down in Yemen..
Turkey is more complex -Erdogan hates Assad, and to that exent allows ISIS to operate cross border.
More it's AQ groups like al-Nusra, or even the "secularists" like FSA..
Turkey's main concern is the PKK,and not allowing a Kurdistan.
The ME alliances are one of convenience, and cross currents
Darth Omar
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Well, don't expect Trump to not say what he's thinking lol. And what he thinks about Islam is shared by many people, including a few who would never admit it publicly or on a debate board.
That said, Trump's words will have little or no effect on ISIS recruiting. He didn't say we are at war with Islam. Which is the Mother of All Rhetorical No-No's according to the left and much of the national security establishment.
What he said was 'Islam hates us'. Well, ISIS, AQ, Boko Haram, the Iranian mullahs and etc etc all agree with Donald Trump. How's that for irony lol. I get the idea they might even admire him for having the balls to come out and say it. I also get the idea they think they might have reason to fear someone like Trump.
And if the moderates don't understand how some people might conclude that their religion preaches hate toward infidels then they need to understand it.
AQ and the modern jihadist/Islamist movement started in Egypt with the Muslim Brotherhood back in the 20's. Western colonialism, at worst, exacerbated it: it's a movement rooted in Islam and not a reaction to the West.
Cymru, shithouse. It was made up at the end of the Roman Empire, when you were naked in your bog with your sisters.
it's hilarious that the left refuses to say "Islamic violent extremists" while the right says "Islam hates us"..in truth it's always been a significant enough part
that waxes and wanes.
good info on Muslim brotherhood, i'll have to look that up.
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And you still cowardly refuse to acknowledge that the discussion was about your original post, regarding "marginalization and radicalization" and that no where in that initial exchange did you mention other factors, until I mentioned it.
Then you tried to move the goal posts and make that the discussion.
But then; you transition to being so Desh like is well on it's way to fruition and it's apparent that you intend to continue on your downward spiral.
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Alright. We can pretend that it's all about the original post, even though I didn't mention socialization & poverty until much later (and THAT was the post you were responding to when you said "only" socialization and poverty). I recognize completely that you have already lost that discussion, as I think you have to.
So, let's go w/ the "original post." Can you show me where I implied or said that there were NO other factors at all?
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And again - here is your post. This post responded directly to the following:
"You tried to simplify an established psychological concept to fit your ideology. Are there radical groups actively trying to recruit Trump supporters who feel marginalized? How else do Trump supporters feel marginalized...are there aspects of poverty and socialization that are involved? What other motivation was there for a Trump supporter to explode a bomb and commit violence? And so on."
I don't even know what you're talking about when you go back to some "original post." This is the FIRST time I brought up poverty & socialization, and you were responding directly to that when you asked if I thought poverty & socialization were the ONLY factors. To which I pointed out that I said "and so on."
It's really an incredible exercise with you - trying at length to show you what YOU were saying. You get so lost in the sauce.
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You OBVIOUSLY decided to NOT include them, originally, so my presentation stands, using your 'logic".
You only decided to move the goal posts and change the parameters, after you realized that your own presentation came back to bite you in the ass.
I fully accept your surrender; but I want to thank you for finally admitting that all your complaining, was just a smoke screen that was being used in an attempt to save face.
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My response to that post was only to call attention to the fact that in your realization that your "logic" had failed and you were now attempting to move the goal posts and present another fallacy.
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You OBVIOUSLY decided to NOT include them, originally, so my presentation stands, using your 'logic".
You only decided to move the goal posts and change the parameters, after you realized that your own presentation came back to bite you in the ass.
I fully accept your surrender; but I want to thank you for finally admitting that all your complaining, was just a smoke screen that was being used in an attempt to save face.
Nah - it was no conscious decision. But that's beside the point - I never said ANYTHING to indicate that I thought marginalization was the ONLY factor. Not a thing.
That burden of proof is on you, and you can't back it up. My only point was that marginalization CAN make someone more susceptible to radicalization. It would be stupid, ignorant & uninformed to suggest that it's the only reason for radicalization, which is something that I neither believe nor argue.
Just hang it up. You're a really stupid person.
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Sure thing - which is why your response specifically mentioned socialization & poverty, which I had just mentioned?
You're really floundering. It's enormous fun to watch, and I'm happy to continue this humiliation for you. Because I've really had it with your inane posting on this board - just taking ignorant potshots at other posters. Either come here to argue something intelligently, or go find someplace more befitting for your stupidity.
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And in your original post, you never said anything except that.
Plus, where in that original statement did you use the phrase "CAN"??
And you have been trying to argue it; because you know that you presentation was inane and you just can't bring yourself to admit your error.
By the way, I did prove it; several posts back.
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You really should remove your blinders and improve you myopic view; because if could see yourself flopping and floundering, in a really pathetic attempt to defend your original presentation, you would be greatly amused.
Leonthecat
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By the way, I did prove it; several posts back.
You proved yourself to be a racist-friendly douchebag a while ago, didn't you Ma'am.
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And in your original post, you never said anything except that.
Plus, where in that original statement did you use the phrase "CAN"??
And you have been trying to argue it; because you know that you presentation was inane and you just can't bring yourself to admit your error.
By the way, I did prove it; several posts back.
Um, yeah - because the point I'm making is that marginalization can lead to radicalization. When did I ever make this thread a complete breakdown of every factor involved in the radicalization of extremists?
Again: find me where I said that is the only factor that can lead to radicalization. Why would I or anyone even make that kind of argument? Find it.
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You really should remove your blinders and improve you myopic view; because if could see yourself flopping and floundering, in a really pathetic attempt to defend your original presentation, you would be greatly amused.
My "original presentation" was the established psychological principle that people who are marginalized are more susceptible to radicalization. Which you haven't countered with anything, btw.
Again: you are a very stupid person.
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In actuality; what you're trying to do is save face after running from you own "logic", when you didn't like the example given and realized that you had painted yourself into a corner.
You never said anything about OTHER factors, in our exchange, until the above situation occurred.
As to the why you would do; it's probably because you thought you were making a cute point and didn't stop to think it through.
Just like when you tried to suggest that I had said you blaming Trump for anything.
Just admit that you were trying to make a generalization, without realizing how your 'logic" was initially flawed, and when your generalization came back to bite you in the ass, you then made the decision to puff out your chest, stick you fingers in your ears, and repetitiously go LA-LA-LA-LA-LA.