Is the Civil Rights movement what turned the South Republican for 50 years..

maineman said:
Up until FDR... they were solid behind the party of Lincoln until then....

Here's a good link for you to study:

http://www.policymic.com/articles/1...erican-vote-and-their-civil-rights-reputation
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So if blacks had already left the Republican Party, as far back as the 1920s, how does this square with the Liberal talking point that after the Civil Rights Act passed, and Democrat racists switched to the Republican Party for reasons no one can seem to figure out, that it drove blacks away from Republicans?

That is why it is quite stupid and disingenuous that the Democratic Party promotes such strawman myths to fool gullible dimwits to vote for them.

The most fascinating thing about these myths is that after five decades of voting with Democrats in overwhelming numbers, blacks are not much better off and with the first black Democratic President, suffering worse now than they did with Bush.

The truth is that the Democratic Party is able to keep blacks on the "plantation of dependency" by empowering black leaders in a marginal role within the party elite to keep their members in line and dependent on Big Government welfarism.

The problem with the Republican message is that it promotes the idea that people are better off NOT being dependent wards of the state while Democrat black elites promote the idea that this is a racist message.

The dishonesty of the Democratic Party to promote such false ideals and Progressive Liberals perfectly willing to fabricate strawmen in order to maintain their black voting margins is a terrible disservice to the black community that blacks may only be begginning to understand. But as long as there are fools who believe they are entitled to other peoples wealth, and corrupt politicians willing to pander to such ignorance, it will be a tough road to break this cycle of dependence.
 
maineman said:
now, they are solidly in the democratic camp... yes indeed. just like they USED to be solidly behind the party of Lincoln... and I just pointed out how you all willfully discarded them, and decided that numbers were more important than principles... but hey, it worked for y'all. You OWN the white racist southern vote. Congratulations.
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You didn't show how the Republicans presumably discarded them, you merely parroted some myths that hardly make your points.

As a matter of fact, the more you post, the more it becimes evident that, as typical, you don't know what you the hell you are taking about.
 
Truth Detector said:
This is a very curious and interesting claim; so let me see if I understand the logic. Southern Democrats were against the Civil Rights Act of 1963. More Republicans supported the act than did Democrats from a percentage standpoint; so to show their anger, Southern Democrats JOINED the Republicans who had overwhelmingly supported and sponsored the legislation to get even with Johnson for signing the law; is that what we are saying here?

It doesn't sound very logical. I mean, why would you join a party MORE invested in the act than your own party?

Vote totals[edit]

Totals are in "Yea–Nay" format:
The original House version: 290–130 (69–31%).
Cloture in the Senate: 71–29 (71–29%).
The Senate version: 73–27 (73–27%).
The Senate version, as voted on by the House: 289–126 (70–30%).

By party[edit]

The original House version:[19]
Democratic Party: 152–96 (61–39%)
Republican Party: 138–34 (80–20%)

Cloture in the Senate:[20]
Democratic Party: 44–23 (66–34%)
Republican Party: 27–6 (82–18%)

The Senate version:[19]
Democratic Party: 46–21 (69–31%)
Republican Party: 27–6 (82–18%)

The Senate version, voted on by the House:[19]
Democratic Party: 153–91 (63–37%)
Republican Party: 136–35 (80–20%)

By party and region[edit]

Note: "Southern", as used in this section, refers to members of Congress from the eleven states that made up the Confederate States of America in the American Civil War. "Northern" refers to members from the other 39 states, regardless of the geographic location of those states.

The original House version:
Southern Democrats: 7–87 (7–93%)
Southern Republicans: 0–10 (0–100%)
Northern Democrats: 145–9 (94–6%)
Northern Republicans: 138–24 (85–15%)

The Senate version:
Southern Democrats: 1–20 (5–95%) (only Ralph Yarborough of Texas voted in favor)
Southern Republicans: 0–1 (0–100%) (John Tower of Texas)
Northern Democrats: 45–1 (98–2%) (only Robert Byrd of West Virginia voted against)
Northern Republicans: 27–5 (84–16%)


Here’s some interesting reading:

As a result of unrelenting efforts by Democrats to shift their racist past onto the backs of Republicans, using the mantra: "the parties switched sides", a lot of people have requested an article addressing this issue.

It does not make sense to believe that racist Democrats suddenly rushed into the Republican Party, especially after Republicans spent nearly 150 years fighting for black civil rights. In fact, the racist Democrats declared they would rather vote for a "yellow dog" than a Republican because the Republican Party was known as the party for blacks.

From the time of its inception in 1854 as the anti-slavery party, the Republican Party has always been the party of freedom and equality for blacks. As author Michael Scheuer wrote, the Democratic Party is the party of the four S's: slavery, secession, segregation and now socialism. Democrats have been running black communities for the past 50+ years, and the socialist policies of the Democrats have turned those communities into economic and social wastelands.
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The racist Democrats of the 1950's and 1960's that Republicans were fighting died Democrats. One racist Democrat who survived until 2010 was US Senator Robert Byrd, a former recruiter for the Ku Klux Klan. Notably, the Ku Klux Klan was started by Democrats in 1866 and became the terrorist arm of the Democratic Party for the purpose of terrorizing and lynching Republicans—black and white. Byrd became a prominent leader in the Democrat-controlled Congress where he was honored by his fellow Democrats as the "conscience of the Senate."
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Contrary to popular belief, President Lyndon Johnson did not predict a racist exodus to the Republican Party from the Democratic Party because of Johnson's support of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Omitted from the Democrats' rewritten history is what Johnson actually meant by his prediction.

Johnson feared that the racist Democrats would again form a third party, such as the short-lived States Rights Democratic Party. In fact, Alabama's Democrat Governor George C. Wallace in 1968 started the American Independent Party that attracted other racist candidates, including Democrat Governor Lester Maddox.

Behind closed doors, Johnson said: "These Negroes, they're getting uppity these days. That's a problem for us, since they got something now they never had before. The political pull to back up their upityness. Now, we've got to do something about this. We've got to give them a little something. Just enough to quiet them down, but not enough to make a difference. If we don't move at all, their allies will line up against us. And there'll be no way to stop them. It'll be Reconstruction all over again."
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The "Southern Strategy" that began in the 1970's was an effort by Nixon to get fair-minded people in the South to stop voting for Democrats who did not share their values and were discriminating against blacks. Georgia did not switch until 2004, and Louisiana was controlled by Democrats until the election of Republican Bobby Jindal, a person of color, as governor in 2007.

As the co-architect of Nixon's "Southern Strategy", Pat Buchanan provided a first-hand account of the origin and intent of that strategy in a 2002 article posted on the Internet. Buchanan wrote that Nixon declared that the Republican Party would be built on a foundation of states' rights, human rights, small government and a strong national defense. Nixon said he would leave it to the Democratic Party to squeeze the last ounce of political juice out of the rotting fruit of racial injustice.

http://blackrepublican.blogspot.com/2012/06/republicans-and-democrats-did-not.html
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Their entire argument rests on the fact that Strom Thurmond switched parties. That is it. That is what passes for thought in the democrat party. They just gloss over their racist past and want to project it onto someone else.I refuse to cow down to a party that created the KKK.
 
maineman said:
no... only that your youthful altruism had soured into self serving opportunism.
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That's an interesting, but false caim. I would argue that not wanting to be a dependent ward of the State is less self serving than believing in a massive State who steals its citizens wealth on the belief that that others are entitled to it; but only if they vote for the ideologically corrupt politicians who pander to such ignorance.

Isn't it more self serving to believe that the State should be the arbiter of what is fair through redistribution schemes on the pretense of entitlement?

What is self serving about seeking out opportunity in a free market? I like to refer back to my airline disaster analogy; you must first put on your own oxygen mask before trying to help others with theirs.
 
I Love America said:
Their entire argument rests on the fact that Strom Thurmond switched parties. That is it. That is what passes for thought in the democrat party. They just gloss over their racist past and want to project it onto someone else.I refuse to cow down to a party that created the KKK.
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I think you are hitting that nail on the head. Yet so many former KKK members died as Democrats. Ironic isn't it?
 
Truth Detector said:
You didn't show how the Republicans presumably discarded them, you merely parroted some myths that hardly make your points.

As a matter of fact, the more you post, the more it becimes evident that, as typical, you don't know what you the hell you are taking about.
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the republicans started losing the black vote in the 30's... they used to OWN the black vote on the basis that the GOP was the party of Lincoln and freed the slaves, and that the democratic party was the party of Jim Crow. That started to change during FDR's term in office and then became a landslide after the civil rights act passed and the GOP decided to go after the white southern vote. I love how "black republicans" (as scarce as hen's teeth) are redefining what the GOP's southern strategy was all about. Phillips succinctly described it and Mehlman went to the NAACP 35 years later and apologized for it... too late, of course. You guys will never get the black vote back in 50 years, especially when the way you attempt to woo them back is by telling them that they have all been collectively stupid and allowed the democrats to bribe them.... I am pretty sure that no self respecting black American voter will be convinced by such dismissive, bigoted, racist arguments.... but, by all means, don't stop trying. If you speak a little slower and yell a little louder, it just might work.
 
maineman said:
"so many"?? please list many names to back up that claim.
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Still too stupid to learn how to use Google I see.

How many pre-1964 southern racist Democrat bigots did NOT join the Republican party after 1964?

Orval Fabus
Benjamin Travis Laney
John Stennis
James Eastland
Allen Ellender
Russell Long
John Sparkman
John McClellan
Richard Russell
Herman Talmadge
George Wallace
Lester Maddox
John Rarick
Robert Byrd
Al Gore, Sr.
Bull Connor

In fact, it seems that MOST of the Dixiecrats did NOT join the Republican party, even though many of them lived long past 1964.

Only a very FEW of them switched to the GOP, such as Strom Thurmond and Mills Godwin.

More:

The KKK was the terrorist wing of the Democrat Party.
May 15, 2008 at 1:01 pm | Posted in Democrat Party, K.K.K | 18 Comments

Our nation’s top historians reveal that the Democratic Party gave us the Ku Klux Klan, Black Codes, Jim Crow Laws and other repressive legislation which resulted in the multitude of murders, lynchings, mutilations, and intimidations (of thousands of black and white Republicans). On the issue of slavery: historians say the Democrats gave their lives to expand it, the Republicans gave their lives to ban it.

The Democrats:
◦Democrats fought to expand slavery while Republicans fought to end it.
◦Democrats passed those discriminatory Black Codes and Jim Crow laws.
◦Democrats supported and passed the Missouri Compromise to protect slavery.
◦Democrats supported and passed the Kansas Nebraska Act to expand slavery.
◦Democrats supported and backed the Dred Scott Decision.
◦Democrats opposed educating blacks and murdered our teachers.
◦Democrats fought against anti-lynching laws.
◦Democrat Senator Robert Byrd of West Virginia, is well known for having been a “Kleagle” in the Ku Klux Klan.
◦Democrat Senator Robert Byrd of West Virginia, personally filibustered the Civil Rights Act of 1964 for 14 straight hours to keep it from passage.
◦Democrats passed the Repeal Act of 1894 that overturned civil right laws enacted by Republicans.
◦Democrats declared that they would rather vote for a “yellow dog” than vote for a Republican, because the Republican Party was known as the party for blacks.
◦Democrat President Woodrow Wilson, reintroduced segregation throughout the federal government immediately upon taking office in 1913.
◦Democrat President Franklin D. Roosevelt’s first appointment to the Supreme Court was a life member of the Ku Klux Klan, Sen. Hugo Black, Democrat of Alabama.
◦Democrat President Franklin D. Roosevelt’s choice for vice president in 1944 was Harry Truman, who had joined the Ku Klux Klan in Kansas City in 1922.
◦Democrat President Franklin D. Roosevelt resisted Republican efforts to pass a federal law against lynching.
◦Democrat President Franklin D. Roosevelt opposed integration of the armed forces.
◦Democrat Senators Sam Ervin, Albert Gore, Sr. and Robert Byrd were the chief opponents of the 1964 Civil Rights Act.
◦Democrats supported and backed Judge John Ferguson in the case of Plessy v Ferguson.
◦Democrats supported the School Board of Topeka Kansas in the case of Brown v The Board of Education of Topeka Kansas.
◦Democrat public safety commissioner Eugene “Bull” Connor, in Birmingham, Ala., unleashed vicious dogs and turned fire hoses on black civil rights demonstrators.
◦Democrats were who Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. and the other protesters were fighting.
◦Democrat Georgia Governor Lester Maddox “brandished an ax hammer to prevent blacks from patronizing his restaurant.
◦Democrat Governor George Wallace stood in front of the Alabama schoolhouse in 1963, declaring there would be segregation forever.
◦Democrat Arkansas Governor Faubus tried to prevent desegregation of Little Rock public schools.
◦Democrat Senator John F. Kennedy voted against the 1957 Civil rights Act.
◦Democrat President John F. Kennedy opposed the 1963 March on Washington by Dr. King.
◦Democrat President John F. Kennedy, had Dr. King wiretapped and investigated by the FBI.
◦Democrat President Bill Clinton’s mentor was U.S. Senator J. William Fulbright, an Arkansas Democrat and a supporter of racial segregation.
◦Democrat President Bill Clinton interned for J. William Fulbright in 1966-67.
◦Democrat Senator J. William Fulbright signed the Southern Manifesto opposing the Supreme Court’s 1954 Brown vs. Board of Education decision.
◦Democrat Senator J. William Fulbright joined with the Dixiecrats in filibustering the Civil Rights Acts of 1957 and 1964.
◦Democrat Senator J. William Fulbright voted against the 1965 Voting Rights Act.
◦Southern Democrats opposed desegregation and integration.

http://realdemocrathistory.wordpress.com/category/kkk/
 
your claim was "klan members". I notice that your link did not back back up that claim... care to try and again and show where SO MANY klansman died as democrats?

I'll wait.
 
and again... showing the ancient history of the democratic party is supposed to somehow cause all the current black americans to come running back to the GOP???

really?

:lol:
 
maineman said:
the republicans started losing the black vote in the 30's... they used to OWN the black vote on the basis that the GOP was the party of Lincoln and freed the slaves, and that the democratic party was the party of Jim Crow.
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I am amused then that you claim that Republicans lost them thanks to a “southern strategy” by the Nixon administration which occurred in the 70s and where racist Democrats joined the Republican Party after the Civil Rights act was passed. Yet the FACTS do not support the MYTH.

Why is that?

But I am also amused by your suggestions that blacks voted. If blacks were voting solidly for Republicans back in the good ol’ days, why pass the Voters Right Act of 1965?

maineman said:
That started to change during FDR's term in office and then became a landslide after the civil rights act passed and the GOP decided to go after the white southern vote.
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That’s a fascinating myth; so did Republicans suddenly become racists after their overwhelming support for the Civil Rights Act? If yes, how?


maineman said:
I love how "black republicans" (as scarce as hen's teeth) are redefining what the GOP's southern strategy was all about.
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I love how white leftists like you are trying to re-invent history by claiming that blacks went to the Democratic Party due to this mythical “southern strategy” when the evidence suggests anything BUT that.

Why is that?

maineman said:
Phillips succinctly described it and Mehlman went to the NAACP 35 years later and apologized for it... too late, of course.
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It doesn’t occur to you that Mehlman may have been as uninformed as you apparently are and was not merely playing to his audience.

maineman said:
You guys will never get the black vote back in 50 years, especially when the way you attempt to woo them back is by telling them that they have all been collectively stupid and allowed the democrats to bribe them....
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Republicans have been telling blacks they are collectively stupid? Please cite that; I have never seen that RNC claim.

But blacks have been duped into the revisionist history being fed them by our media, which practices malfeasance, and dishonest Democratic leaders relying on the lemming like memory of the American sheeple.

maineman said:
I am pretty sure that no self respecting black American voter will be convinced by such dismissive, bigoted, racist arguments.... but, by all means, don't stop trying.
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I am amused that preaching the wisdom of the Constitution, self-reliance and liberty is “dismissive”, “bigoted” and “racist”. You really are one dumb dishonest race hustler aren’t you?

I am amused that you think dependency is self-respecting.

But based on the historic record, the real racists were Democrats; fascinating that you wish to hang that label on the party that freed slaves and fought for their civil rights.

maineman said:
If you speak a little slower and yell a little louder, it just might work.
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I doubt it; even if I used crayon I am quite certain that it would not change your race hustling dishonest accounts of our history. You really are THAT stupid and THAT dishonest.

Dismissed Commander Dunce.
 
maineman said:
your claim was "klan members". I notice that your link did not back back up that claim... care to try and again and show where SO MANY klansman died as democrats?

I'll wait.
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I am amused that you think that ALL members were open and honest about their membership. But there is enough here to support the facts that the Democratic Party was the party of bigots and racists and the very party Martin Luther King march against in his effort for racial equality in the South.

They didn't "switch" party as you and many other dishonest dimwits claim.

I know you would like me to parse out the specific identified members of the KKK as if that makes your dimwitted dishonest argument any less stupid and to suggest that racist bigots were not as culpable as admitted KKK members; but I assure you that it won't. You're still painfully stupid, incredibly gullible and historically ignorant. Not to mention an uber Liberal Democrat Partisan stuck on a special brand of stupid.
 
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maineman said:
and again... showing the ancient history of the democratic party is supposed to somehow cause all the current black americans to come running back to the GOP???

really?

:lol:
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I am amused that you think the 1970's are ancient history. When did Robert Byrd finally die in office?

Dunce.
 
Truth Detector said:
I am amused that you think that ALL members were open and honest about their membership. But there is enough here to support the facts that the Democratic Party was the party of bigots and racists and the very party Martin Luther King march against in his effort for racial equality in the South.

They didn't "switch" party as you and many other dishonest dimwits claim.

I know you would like me to parse out the specific identified members of the KKK as if that makes your dimwitted dishonest argument any less stupid and to suggest that racist bigots were not as culpable as admitted KKK members; but I assure you that it won't. You're still painfully stupid, incredibly gullible and historically ignorant. Not to mention an uber Liberal Democrat Partisan stuck on a special brand of stupid.
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you were the guy who made the claim....not me. If you couldn't back it up, maybe you shouldn't have made it in the first place.
 
Truth Detector said:
I am amused that you think the 1970's are ancient history. When did Robert Byrd finally die in office?

Dunce.
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I am glad I amuse you. Blacks have been voting democratic solidly for a half a century. That's a fact and you know it. My question is: beyond continuing to employ the southern strategy, what do you intend to DO about that?
 
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