Is Islam evil?

christiefan915 said:
Yes, the bombings were evil, not the religions themselves.
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Muslim beliefs, customs and culture are incompatible with western beliefs, customs and culture....

You must be aware of how they treat women, gays, and all infidels in their own country's....it is inconceivable that those practices can be tolerated in any western civilization....

They demand women, ALL women to dress according to Islam where they rule They condone beating your wife
They practice honor killing regardless of what country they are live in They marry children by decree, by force
They condone prison and the death penalty for homosexuals
What we consider basic human rights has no place in Islam
Rape is viewed as adultery, must be witnessed by 4 men to be believed.
They hold their cultural 'laws' above the laws of the country they live in. The list is endless .

NO Muslim can embrace the western culture and at the same time believe and do what is listed above.
 
NOVA said:
Muslim beliefs, customs and culture are incompatible with western beliefs, customs and culture....

You must be aware of how they treat women, gays, and all infidels in their own country's....it is inconceivable that those practices can be tolerated in any western civilization....

They demand women, ALL women to dress according to Islam where they rule They condone beating your wife
They practice honor killing regardless of what country they are live in They marry children by decree, by force
They condone prison and the death penalty for homosexuals
What we consider basic human rights has no place in Islam
Rape is viewed as adultery, must be witnessed by 4 men to be believed.
They hold their cultural 'laws' above the laws of the country they live in. The list is endless .

NO Muslim can embrace the western culture and at the same time believe and do what is listed above.
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Islam, like all religion, sucks ...
Racist Islamophobes suck even worse...
Poor Blabo...
 
Rune said:
Assimilation is always an initial issue in immigration.
The Chineses, The Irish now the Mexicans, next the Muslims.

Xenophobia is a bitch.
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the great migrations of the 1900's weren't about "Xenophobia"-it was simply 1 immigrant group gaining power -thru assimilation- and keeping the next group down..

Hispanics are already well assimilated - there are times here in florida I feel like I'm living in a Latino
country - Puerto Ricans especially around Orlando are pervasive.
But again almost all 2nd generation assimilate.

Keeping out terrorism not the same as this"Muslim ban" crap the media and the left propagate.
it's temporary and has nothing to do with 'xenophobia'
 
sear said:
"Islam isn't the problem it is the excuse." R #28
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Yes, yes, obliviously AND I read it the first time.

Doesn't detract from what I said nor add to it.

I like you a lot but you are annoying.

Do you really think you are the only intelligent poster here?
 
anatta said:
the great migrations of the 1900's weren't about "Xenophobia"-it was simply 1 immigrant group gaining power -thru assimilation- and keeping the next group down..

Hispanics are already well assimilated - there are times here in florida I feel like I'm living in a Latino
country - Puerto Ricans especially around Orlando are pervasive.
But again almost all 2nd generation assimilate.

Keeping out terrorism not the same as this"Muslim ban" crap the media and the left propagate.
it's temporary and has nothing to do with 'xenophobia'
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Buy a dictionary you stupid skank.
It is all about xenophobia

Fucking retard
 
sear said:
I used simplistic in this sense: "treating complex issues and problems as if they were much simpler" c9 #20

In that case I'd go w/ "simple" rather than "simplistic".
- "Simple" is the counterpart to "compound".
- "Simplistic" means oversimplification by dismissing relevant complexities.

"I consider the choice (evil or anti-west) to be a false premise and a false dichotomy."

It's an apparent attempt to connect explanation with reality. We KNOW the fact. The question is, how do we explain it.
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The attacks of 09/11/01 - In Osama Bin Laden's November 2002 "Letter to America",[SUP][5][/SUP][SUP][6][/SUP] he explicitly stated that al-Qaeda's motives for their attacks include: Western support for attacking Muslims in Somalia, supporting Russian atrocities against Muslims in Chechnya, supporting the Indian oppression against Muslims in Kashmir, the Jewish aggression against Muslims in Lebanon, the presence of US troops in Saudi Arabia,[SUP][6][/SUP][SUP][7][/SUP][SUP][8][/SUP] US support of Israel,[SUP][9][/SUP][SUP][10][/SUP] and sanctions against Iraq.[SUP][11][/SUP]

the African embassy bombings -The bombings are widely believed to have been revenge for American involvement in the extradition, and alleged torture, of four members of Egyptian Islamic Jihad (EIJ) who had been arrested in Albania for an alleged series of murders in Egypt in the two months prior to the attacks.

the destruction of the U.S.S. Cole - most likely part of a long-term campaign to drive American influence out of the Middle East, overthrow moderate Arab governments, and replace them with radical anti-Western regimes.

and various other evil-doings indicate a severe & ruthless antagonism between SOME Islamists against the U.S.

"I mostly agree with Scheuer's solutions but not necessarily with this comment: "the reality that many of the world's 1.3 billion Muslims hate us for actions, not values," because how does he conclude that "many hate us" without showing how he arrived at that conclusion."
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Scheuer may have devoted a decade or more to that narrow field of study. It's impossible to blurt out every jot & tittle in a 4 minute TV interview; so he had to give conclusions. That doesn't mean his conclusions are baseless. Instead it means they simply weren't disclosed in that one interview.
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It sounds too much like sweeping generalization to me.

BUT !!

I've heard of some of them; and this may be the missing puzzle piece for you. For decades traditionalist Muslims have seen the affects of Western culture on their own Muslim culture. Their teenagers weren't listening to Muslim music. They were listening to Western music, wearing Western style clothing, carrying smart-phones, etc. Western culture was simply over-running much of Islam. And since Islam is an ancient tradition to begin with, the Muslim elders couldn't simply compete on market-driven basis; for they'd have had to destroy the Islam they knew.

So instead of winning away ethnic Muslims that were seduced by Western culture; the Muslim traditionalists turned violently radical, and coerced compliance: act Muslim, or you and your family will die. That's how a school girl like Malala Yousafzai can get shot in the head, simply for attending school. An education is antithetical to these religious troglodytes.
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What you see as religious troglodytes I see as cultural troglodytes. Those harsh cultural practices pre-date Islam even though today the religion and the culture are intertwined.

"The Taliban and Isil are not what I call mainstream."
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Per capita? OF COURSE NOT!

"Even the so-called mainstream Muslims hate and fear ISIL and the Taliban and those two torture and kill more Muslims than any other group of people."

But not enough to shut them down. I agree. They cower. But why must it be the job of the U.S. to rescue them? When Hitler threatened U.S., we didn't go to Damascus, and beg them to save us. We took care of it. It does not speak well for Islam that Muslims are willing to have such flagrant atrocities perpetrated in the name of their religion.
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I also agree that it's not the job of the US to rescue them. IMO it's the job of the US to stop meddling in the Middle East. However, I don't agree that "Muslims are willing to have such flagrant atrocities perpetrated in the name of their religion", it's another sweeping generalization. Millions are fleeing from those countries because of the atrocities perpetrated. I'd be interested to know how the rank and file are expected to stand up against the brutes. Millions were exterminated by Nazis in the '30s and '40s yet nobody blamed the survivors for not doing enough.

I see them as fighting to gain power, not to convert infidels. c9 #20
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For a population that size, it's probably both. The proportion, the ratio is debatable, but almost certainly varies over time.
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Most of the killing is done by Muslims to Muslims. One percentage I've read ranged between 82%-97%.

"Yet people never use the word "evil" when talking about other religions that kill for power. Ex.: Catholics and Protestants in No. Ireland." c9 #22
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Yours is a point worth making. But there's an important distinction as well. To my knowledge, the Catholic / Protestant carnage in Northern Ireland was not preached from the pulpit; it was rather more freelance carnage; not based on religious / church teachings, but rather more despite them.
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I don't know whether or not it was preached from the pulpits of many churches. However Rev. Ian Paisley was the Protestant firebrand who supported anti-Catholic violence and Father Patrick Ryan was an activist supporting the IRA. So who knows?
 
Yaya said:
While this is partly true, the people's there who embraced Islam and incorporated previously secular culture, did not became as warlike until they embraced Islam. Jews were not second class citizens in the ME before Islam. Thus, you cannot say that this was part of the culture before Islam.
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Untrue. Muhammad hoped to unite the warring tribes of the Arabian peninsula under Islam.
 
NOVA said:
Weren't you always ranting about Vietnam, Iraq, etc.....but not too much on Obama throwing drones around like confetti....more hypocrisy as expected.
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I've been extremely critical of Obama on drones. I was 100% against Libya also, and have said quite a few times on this board that I have opposed most of his foreign policy. I didn't vote for him in 2012 largely based on that.

You, on the other hand, were a gung-ho supporter of Iraq, but just knee-jerk oppose everything a Dem does. Please don't talk to me about hypocrisy.

Again - not even a nice try by you.
 
I have issues w/ all of the world's religions, but I also understand that most people are spiritual seekers, and that religion is important to many. I also understand that a LOT of people are born into certain religions.

And most of those people - really, almost all of them - are NOT evil.

To try to argue that Islam is "evil" based on some of the current violence is sort of a cop-out. There have certainly been periods in history when Christianity has been much more violent, and has been responsible for a lot of death & suffering. Nothing has changed about the religion in that time - so no one rational would say there is anything inherent in the religion that caused this.

Instead, it was more a product of the times. Unfortunately for Islam, a lot of its practitioners live in poor, 3rd world countries. So, that colors a lot of the behavior.
 
Thing1 said:
I've been extremely critical of Obama on drones. I was 100% against Libya also, and have said quite a few times on this board that I have opposed most of his foreign policy. I didn't vote for him in 2012 largely based on that.

You, on the other hand, were a gung-ho supporter of Iraq, but just knee-jerk oppose everything a Dem does. Please don't talk to me about hypocrisy.

Again - not even a nice try by you.
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