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[anatta]

All I know is that Libya is well on its way to producing a million barrels of oil per day.

www.libyaherald.com/2016/12/14/western-pipeline-block-ends-one-million

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ya ya.( this finally after 5 years of complete FUBAR mess caused by the NATO powers).
Libya was producing around 1.5 bbd under Gaddafi -more important is where is that oil revenue going to go?

As of now there is only 1 NOC (National Oil Corporation)- but 2 or 3 governments depending how you count.
Tripoli won't recognize Bengazi's right to ship oil -there was finally a big freighter that sailed about a month ago;
but they can't really write contracts yet for fear of blockage. And how are the revenues split up if the governments don't recognize each other?

War and strife have cost Libya $68bn in lost oil revenues
https://www.ft.com/content/4dc800de-c27a-11e5-b3b1-7b2481276e45

 

[anatta]

https://www.libyaherald.com/2016/12/16/renewed-militia-clashes-shake-tripoli/
There were heavy clashes today in Tripoli’s Hay Al-Akwah area, by the elevated Airport Road next to the Abu Sleem district.

According to reports they started after an armed group tried to take the area from the so-called Abu Sleem Central Security Force, headed by Abdul Ghani Kikli (also known as Ghneiwa). This in turn had supposedly followed the arrest by Ghneiwa’s forces of a man allegedly involved in robbery and murder.

After armoured vehicles were deployed to the area it returned to Ghneiwa’s control. The elevate section of the Airport Road remain closed for some time, however.

However, in an increasingly common military chain reaction in Tripoli, when one group moves all others move, largely to secure their territory. This appears to have again been the situation in the city today. There were unconfirmed reports of shots fired in Tajoura.

The city’s various militias are seen as nervous after Khalifa Hafter’s call this week to the Libyan National Army to be ready to march on Tripoli.

 

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ya ya.( this finally after 5 years of complete FUBAR mess caused by the NATO powers).
Libya was producing around 1.5 bbd under Gaddafi -more important is where is that oil revenue going to go?

As of now there is only 1 NOC (National Oil Corporation)- but 2 or 3 governments depending how you count.
Tripoli won't recognize Bengazi's right to ship oil -there was finally a big freighter that sailed about a month ago;
but they can't really write contracts yet for fear of blockage. And how are the revenues split up if the governments don't recognize each other?

War and strife have cost Libya $68bn in lost oil revenues
https://www.ft.com/content/4dc800de-c27a-11e5-b3b1-7b2481276e45

Yes I know that you think that the sun shone out of Ghaddafi's arse but his time was nigh. That the UN and the West did precious effing little afterwards is to their eternal shame. How much different would events have been if a force with a robust mandate had been sent in to protect the seaports, airports, oil installations, government buildings and other key infrastructure. They should also have started to train up a Libyan National Army immediately not years later and then only half heartedly. Please don't tell me yet again that it was impossible as I straight up don't believe that.

This highly informative article from the Brooking Institute shows up Ghaddafi for the depot he really was, not some idealised saint that some care to portray him.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.brooking...ailure-theyre-wrong/amp/?client=chrome-mobile

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https://www.libyaherald.com/2016/12/16/renewed-militia-clashes-shake-tripoli/
There were heavy clashes today in Tripoli’s Hay Al-Akwah area, by the elevated Airport Road next to the Abu Sleem district.

According to reports they started after an armed group tried to take the area from the so-called Abu Sleem Central Security Force, headed by Abdul Ghani Kikli (also known as Ghneiwa). This in turn had supposedly followed the arrest by Ghneiwa’s forces of a man allegedly involved in robbery and murder.

After armoured vehicles were deployed to the area it returned to Ghneiwa’s control. The elevate section of the Airport Road remain closed for some time, however.

However, in an increasingly common military chain reaction in Tripoli, when one group moves all others move, largely to secure their territory. This appears to have again been the situation in the city today. There were unconfirmed reports of shots fired in Tajoura.

The city’s various militias are seen as nervous after Khalifa Hafter’s call this week to the Libyan National Army to be ready to march on Tripoli.

Good, he should do exactly that and sort the militias out once and for all.

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[anatta]

Yes I know that you think that the sun shone out of Ghaddafi's arse but his time was nigh. That the UN and the West did precious effing little afterwards is to their eternal shame. How much different would events have been if a force with a robust mandate had been sent in to protect the seaports, airports, oil installations, government buildings and other key infrastructure. They should also have started to train up a Libyan National Army immediately not years later and then only half heartedly. Please don't tell me yet again that it was impossible as I straight up don't believe that.

This highly informative article from the Brooking Institute shows up Ghaddafi for the depot he really was, not some idealised saint that some care to portray him.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.brooking...ailure-theyre-wrong/amp/?client=chrome-mobile

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you might not believe it -but think of what is entailed by putting in UN (right? -not NATO) forces into all those areas.
The first problem is getting shot at by all the militias who don't want UN Blue Hats in Libya.

The other problem is what you are saying is an enormous deployment. Who's gonna do that?
I doubt the UN has the manpower or abilities; which leaves NATO- which was never going to happen' because we went in under
Clinton's "smart power" -basically interventionism without boots.

So why would anyone in NATO want to go in and nation build?
It would require years of committment to a country that doesn't want western forces.
To this day only the GNA will allow special forces in. The GNC ( rebels) specifically said they wanted to run(ruin) their own "democracy".

As much as I respect your knowledge base, I completely abhor your inability to understand occupation is the last thing
middle eastern ( or N. African) countries want.
Putting any western forces in would be a duck shoot. It wouldn't work.

 

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you might not believe it -but think of what is entailed by putting in UN (right? -not NATO) forces into all those areas.
The first problem is getting shot at by all the militias who don't want UN Blue Hats in Libya.

The other problem is what you are saying is an enormous deployment. Who's gonna do that?
I doubt the UN has the manpower or abilities; which leaves NATO- which was never going to happen' because we went in under
Clinton's "smart power" -basically interventionism without boots.

So why would anyone in NATO want to go in and nation build?
It would require years of committment to a country that doesn't want western forces.
To this day only the GNA will allow special forces in. The GNC ( rebels) specifically said they wanted to run(ruin) their own "democracy".

As much as I respect your knowledge base, I completely abhor your inability to understand occupation is the last thing
middle eastern ( or N. African) countries want.
Putting any western forces in would be a duck shoot. It wouldn't work.

They should have put in UN forces like UNOSOM in Somalia. In addition, special forces should have been sent in to take out the militias if they didn't comply with an ultimatum to down weapons or join the National Army. Please don't tell that couldn't happen as that is exactly what is happening now with Daesh

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[anatta]

They should have put in UN forces like UNOSOM in Somalia. In addition, special forces should have been sent in to take out the militias if they didn't comply with an ultimatum to down weapons or join the National Army. Please don't tell that couldn't happen as that is exactly what is happening now with Daesh

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we have maybe 5000 special forces in Iraq/Syria combined. They can only operate with locals acting as ground forces.
There was no local ground forces available in Libya, after our destruction..

as to Haftar? maybe he'll get that Operation Dignity going outside of the east -but he still faces opposition from the militas ( as you said)
as well as the UN government of national accord.