IRAN blew up Lockerbie jet - not Libya, says defector Read more: http://www.dailymai

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I have been saying for years that Syria and Iran were behind the bombing of Pan Am 103 as revenge for the downing of Iran Air flight 655 not Libya. That is not to absolve Libya as I am sure Ghaddafi was more than capable of initiating such an atrocity but not in this case.


  • Ayatollah Khomeini wanted revenge for U.S. strike on Iranian passenger jet
  • He wanted 'everything exactly the same, minimum 290 people dead'
  • Claims he hired Syrian-based Palestinian terror group to bomb Pan Am 103
  • Also claimed the Lockerbie bomb was planted at Heathrow, not Malta
On July 3, 1988 an Iranian passenger jet was shot down by an American naval warship patrolling the Persian Gulf, killing all on board. Iran Air flight 655 had been travelling from Bandar Abbas in Iran to Dubai when it was shot down by the USS Vincennes, resulting in the deaths of 290 civilians from six countries, including 66 children. The USS Vincennes had tracked the plane electronically and warned it to keep away. When it did not the ship fired two surface-to-air missiles at the Airbus A300 B2-203, carrying many Iranians on their way to Mecca.

The attack still has the highest death toll of any aviation incident involving an Airbus A300, and any such incident in the Indian Ocean. An official inquiry carried out by the US attributed the mistake to human error, saying that the crew had incorrectly identified the plane as a F-14 Tomcat fighter, and that the flight did not identify itself otherwise. However, the Iranian government has always disputed the American version of events, with many claiming that the attack was purposeful, and a sign that the US can not be trusted in its dealings with the country. The black box flight recorder on board the Airbus was never found, so it is unknown whether the crew ignored the American warnings via distress frequencies, or did not hear them.

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Iran Air continues to use flight number IR655 on the route as a memorial to the victims (file photo)

It was only in 1992 that the US officially admitted that the vessel had been in Iranian waters after one of its helicopters drew warning fire from Iranian speedboats for operating within Iranian territory. In 1996 the US agreed to pay Iran $61.8 million in compensation for the 248 Iranians killed, plus the cost of the aircraft and legal expenses. It had already paid a further $40 million to the other countries whose nationals were killed. To date a formal apology has not been issued by the US for the tragedy.

Some believe the Lockerbie bombing, carried out six months later in December 1988, was masterminded by Iranians in revenge for the Airbus tragedy, although a Libyan man was convicted and jailed in 2001. Going against an informal convention to discontinue flight numbers associated with aviation tragedies, Iran Air continues to use flight number IR655 on the route as a memorial to the victims.

 
Micawber said:
So Libya paid 2 billion?
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In 2003, Gaddafi accepted responsibility for the Lockerbie bombing and paid compensation to the families of the victims, although he maintained that he had never given the order for the attack. During the Libyan Civil War in 2011, a former government official claimed that the Libyan leader had personally ordered the bombing, though this was later denied.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan_Am_Flight_103

the whole thing was always suspect,the "evidence" was some switch on the bomb ( circumstantial)...

Anyways Gadaffi did what he had todo toget his country moving again -this and giving upnuclear weapons gort him in good standing wit the world and the US..

And then we assassinated him anyhow during the 2011 Libyan war.. Fucking Obama and HRClinton are warpigs.
may they rot in hell forthe destruction of Libya

here he is with C Rice,who praised Qaddafi.

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Bush Speaks With Libya's Gaddafi in Historic Phone Call
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/11/17/AR2008111702975.html


Tuesday, November 18, 2008

President Bush called Libya's Moammar Gaddafi yesterday -- apparently the first time any president has spoken to the African leader -- to voice his satisfaction that Libya had settled a long-standing dispute over terrorist attacks, including the bombing of a Pan Am jet over Scotland, the White House said.

In their conversation, Bush and Gaddafi "discussed that this agreement should help to bring a painful chapter in the history between our two countries closer to closure," White House spokesman Gordon Johndroe said in a statement.

On Oct. 31, Libya paid $1.5 billion into a fund that will pay claims for the 1988 Pan Am 103 bombing over Lockerbie, Scotland, and the 1986 bombing of a German disco. Another $300 million will go to Libyan victims of U.S. airstrikes ordered in retaliation for the disco bombings. The payment cleared the last hurdle in restoration of full normalization of diplomatic relations between the United States and Libya.
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C. David Welch, a State Department diplomat who negotiated the agreement, said at the time that payments to U.S. victims' families should start within days, and family groups hailed the news.

"While we will always mourn the loss of life as a result of past terrorist activities, the settlement agreement is an important step in repairing the relationship between Libya and the United States," Johndroe's statement read.

"Libya has taken important steps on the road to normalizing its relations with the international community, beginning with its renunciation in 2003 of terrorism and weapons of mass destruction," the statement said. "The United States will continue to work on the bilateral relationship with Libya, with the aim of establishing a dialogue that encompasses all subjects, including human rights reform and the fight against terrorism."

A senior White House official told the Reuters news agency that there was no record of any previous U.S. president speaking to Gaddafi, who seized power in a 1969 military coup. Rights groups say Gaddafi's reign has been marked by human rights abuses and restrictions on freedom of expression.

Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice plans to meet Tuesday with Gaddafi's son Saif al-Islam Gaddafi, who will be in Washington on a private visit, officials said. In early September, after the settlement deal, Rice became the most senior U.S. official to visit Libya in more than a half century.

The developments capped a remarkable turnaround in U.S.-Libyan relations that hit a low in the 1980s but began to improve after Gaddafi -- whom President Ronald Reagan once famously called the "mad dog of the Middle East" -- renounced weapons of mass destruction and terrorism in 2003.
 
Pan Am Flight 103 conspiracy theories
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan_Am_Flight_103_conspiracy_theories

^ knock yourselves out...
the point is Libya accepted responsibility,paid reparations,and was a member in good standing of the world community.

Then Sarkozy and Cameron, and Obama, and Hillary decided to kill him anyway in a bogus R2P "humanitarian war"
If you had been paying attention, you know how that worked out -if not here is a reminder.

U.S. is bombing Libya again, 5 years after NATO war destabilized the country
http://www.salon.com/2016/08/02/its...ty_country_with_ongoing_american_air_strikes/
he U.S. launched a new bombing campaign in Libya on Monday — just five years after another disastrous bombing campaign that plunged the country into chaos.
ATO’s 2011 war in Libya, which was justified on humanitarian grounds but was clearly about regime change from the beginning, not only removed dictator Muammar Qaddafi; it also toppled the government and destabilized the country.

Then-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton played a leading role in pushing for the war. President Obama called it the decision he most regrets, but Clinton is still proud of her role.

Since 2011, the country has been engulfed in a bloody civil war. Thousands have been killed, and many more have fled the country in search of asylum – although NATO has planned to impose a blockade on Libya to prevent refugees from entering Europe, in what experts say is a violation of international law.

Extremist groups like ISIS and Ansar al-Sharia took advantage of the chaos and seized large swaths of territory. The so-called Islamic State has implemented a reign of terror in Sirte, the city of Qaddafi’s birth.

The war against Qaddafi helped fuel these extremist elements. During the war, U.S. arms shipments to Libyan rebels ended up in the hands of Islamist extremists. And, after the government was overthrown, weapons from Qaddafi’s massive troves circulated through North Africa and the Middle East.

Rebels also killed black Libyans, whom they accused of supporting Qaddafi. Rebels reportedly put black Libyans into cages and forced them to eat flags, and ethnically cleansed the town of Tawergha, whose inhabitants were mostly descendants of black slaves and were very poor.

Human Rights Watch reported in 2013 of “serious and ongoing human rights violations against inhabitants of the town of Tawergha, who are widely viewed as having supported Muammar Gaddafi.”

The human rights group said militant groups carried out “forced displacement of roughly 40,000 people, arbitrary detentions, torture, and killings are widespread, systematic, and sufficiently organized to be crimes against humanity.”

An Amnesty International researcher said Libya’s U.S.-backed interim government had “ignited public anger by tapping into an existing xenophobia” against black Libyans.

Experts have warned that a new war in Libya will do little to stop the problems that were created by the first bombing campaign.
 
This is old news.

People who have been paying attention have known that Libya was not behind the attack for a long time.

They also know that the US paid millions to 'witnesses' for their false testimony.

$2m witness payment, bogus forensic evidence and Pentagon memo blaming Iran: How Lockerbie bomber appeal threatened Scottish justice
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...hreatened-Scottish-justice.html#ixzz4TC8KGmOl

Whenever we choose, the US is a terrorist nation.
 
blackascoal said:
This is old news.

People who have been paying attention have known that Libya was not behind the attack for a long time.

They also know that the US paid millions to 'witnesses' for their false testimony.

$2m witness payment, bogus forensic evidence and Pentagon memo blaming Iran: How Lockerbie bomber appeal threatened Scottish justice
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...hreatened-Scottish-justice.html#ixzz4TC8KGmOl

Whenever we choose, the US is a terrorist nation.
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I started this thread in 2014 and somebody called Micawber just dug it up!

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blackascoal said:
Thanks .. that gives me a better perspective.
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worth looking at the warmongers one more time. Libya is still thrashing in convulsions from killing Gadaffi.
General Haftar (CIA stooge) is fighting the Islamists in Bengazi, and refuses to acknowledge the UN puppet government installed in Tripoli.

Haftar, the strongman who seems himself as Libya's saviour
http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/afp/2016/09/libya-conflict-politics-army-haftar.html
General Khalifa Haftar, whose forces have seized three vital Libyan oil terminals, is a controversial military strongman who has refused to bow to a UN-backed unity government.
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General Khalifa Haftar, whose forces have seized three vital Libyan oil terminals, is a controversial military strongman who has refused to bow to a UN-backed unity government. Haftar, 73, presents himself as Libya's saviour in the face of a growing jihadist threat, but is himself a hugely divisive figure. He enjoys the support of lawmakers in the internationally recognised parliament..(HOA -Bengazi)
 
anatta said:
In 2003, Gaddafi accepted responsibility for the Lockerbie bombing and paid compensation to the families of the victims, although he maintained that he had never given the order for the attack. During the Libyan Civil War in 2011, a former government official claimed that the Libyan leader had personally ordered the bombing, though this was later denied.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan_Am_Flight_103

the whole thing was always suspect,the "evidence" was some switch on the bomb ( circumstantial)...

Anyways Gadaffi did what he had todo toget his country moving again -this and giving upnuclear weapons gort him in good standing wit the world and the US..

And then we assassinated him anyhow during the 2011 Libyan war.. Fucking Obama and HRClinton are warpigs.
may they rot in hell forthe destruction of Libya

here he is with C Rice,who praised Qaddafi.

gadaffi-03.jpg
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So he paid 2 billion for someone else?
 
anatta said:
worth looking at the warmongers one more time. Libya is still thrashing in convulsions from killing Gadaffi.
General Haftar (CIA stooge) is fighting the Islamists in Bengazi, and refuses to acknowledge the UN puppet government installed in Tripoli.

Haftar, the strongman who seems himself as Libya's saviour
http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/afp/2016/09/libya-conflict-politics-army-haftar.html
General Khalifa Haftar, whose forces have seized three vital Libyan oil terminals, is a controversial military strongman who has refused to bow to a UN-backed unity government.
3fc6875e04735662699fc4f9a63c407b8bba6b3b-570.jpg

General Khalifa Haftar, whose forces have seized three vital Libyan oil terminals, is a controversial military strongman who has refused to bow to a UN-backed unity government. Haftar, 73, presents himself as Libya's saviour in the face of a growing jihadist threat, but is himself a hugely divisive figure. He enjoys the support of lawmakers in the internationally recognised parliament..(HOA -Bengazi)
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He has earned his spurs, did you know that he was part of the coup that brought Ghaddafi to power in 1969 and fought against the Israelis in the Yom Kippur War? He was also involved in an unsuccessful coup to oust Ghaddafi in 1990.

Libya needs a strongman to fight off the Islamists so why not him?
 
Milagro said:
He has earned his spurs, did you know that be fought against the Israelis in the Yom Kippur War?

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I know he's been around.
Fought as a general in Chad under Qadaffi, then was against him during the 2011 war. Gadaffi disowned him
He lived in Langley VI. ( near the CIA headquarters) for awhile in between. He's an intersting character -as in "may you live in interesting times"

Libya's military strongman Khalifa Haftar
Born in 1943 in the eastern town of Ajadbiya, Haftar was one of the group of officers led by Colonel Muammar Gaddafi which seized power from King Idris in 1969......Gaddafi put Haftar - recently promoted to field marshal - in charge of the Libyan forces involved in the conflict in Chad in the 1980s. This proved to be his downfall, as Libya was defeated by the French-backed Chadian forces, and Haftar and 300 of his men were captured by the Chadians in 1987.

Having previously denied the presence of Libyan troops in the country, Gaddafi disowned him. This led Haftar to devote the next two decades towards toppling the Libyan leader.

He did this from exile in the US state of Virginia. His proximity to the CIA's headquarters in Langley hinted at a close relationship with US intelligence services, who gave their backing to several attempts to assassinate Gaddafi.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-27492354
 
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