Insurance for everyone?

[anatta]

I understand, that is why I am asking how Trump has a plan that produces "insurance for everyone"? Single payer?

it was just described for you..making catstrophic affordable -HSA for those with enough incomes- so called "competition across state lines"-block grants for Medicade..I'm sure there is more like drug prices negotiations -but that's the basics

 

[Lightbringer]

it was just described for you..making catstrophic affordable -HSA for those with enough incomes- so called "competition across state lines-block grants for Medicade..I'm sure there is more like drug prices negotiations -but that's the basics

Catastrophic isn't the issue. Replacing ACA is.

 

[signalmankenneth]

Sounds like the old, A Chicken in Every Pot?!!

[h=1]"CHICKEN IN EVERY POT", the phrase, the Republican Party used in its 1928 campaign advertisement touting a period of "Republican prosperity" that had provided a "chicken in every pot. And a car in every backyard, to boot." And we all know how that turned out? Trump is blowing smoke up your ass again?!![/h]

 

[Jarod]

it was just described for you..making catstrophic affordable -HSA for those with enough incomes- so called "competition across state lines"-block grants for Medicade..I'm sure there is more like drug prices negotiations -but that's the basics

So how does the guy who gets injured (off the job) and as a result loses his company insurance.... pay for his up-rated new insurance policy with his newly non-existant insurance policy? I assume he is a part of "everyone", right?

 

[anatta]

Catastrophic isn't the issue. Replacing ACA is.

replacing the ACA is a means to a goal of affordable coverage for all. it's also political of course.
Credit the Dems for the ACA -it got us to the idea of universal access, but it was becoming too costly for many.

SP was the logical extension, but the Repybs ( and many Dems) wouldn't do it.

So we're down to reforming for increased access/affordable costs..

 

[Bigdog]

Why would you think that?

Because the leftwing is most vocal about illnesses causing bankruptcies.

 

[Lightbringer]

replacing the ACA is a means to a goal of affordable coverage for all. it's also political of course.
Credit the Dems for the ACA -it got us to the idea of universal access, but it was becoming too costly for many.

SP was the logical extension, but the Repybs ( and many Dems) wouldn't do it.

So we're down to reforming for increased access/affordable costs..

I have to disagree with you. We already had affordable, and SP isn't affordable and won't insure everyone. You're falling into a trap here.

 

[anatta]

So how does the guy who gets injured (off the job) and as a result loses his company insurance.... pay for his up-rated new insurance policy with his newly non-existant insurance policy? I assume he is a part of "everyone", right?

what is "uprated new insurance?" mean..

If he's injured off the job =but has employee coverage -then the employee risk pool would cover his increased premiums
like group insurance .Also don't forget Disability (federal) for those who can't work because of injuries (etc)

 

[Bigdog]

So how does the guy who gets injured (off the job) and as a result loses his company insurance.... pay for his up-rated new insurance policy with his newly non-existant insurance policy? I assume he is a part of "everyone", right?

Employers like providing insurance bennies because it's a tax dodge to avoid paying actual payroll taxes. And it's a way for the employer to trap people in their jobs. They won't change jobs for fear of losing their insurance. The practice should be banned.

 

[anatta]

I have to disagree with you. We already had affordable, and SP isn't affordable and won't insure everyone. You're falling into a trap here.

well it aint gonna happen, IMHO its the really only sane way to go..but oK fine

 

[Lightbringer]

what is "uprated new insurance?" mean..

If he's injured off the job =but has employee coverage -then the employee risk pool would cover his increased premiums
like group insurance .Also don't forget Disability (federal) for those who can't work because of injuries (etc)

Why are you such a shill for insurance?

 

[anatta]

Employers like providing insurance bennies because it's a tax dodge to avoid paying actual payroll taxes. And it's a way for the employer to trap people in their jobs. They won't change jobs for fear of losing their insurance. The practice should be banned.

good point. I forgot about "portability"

 

[Jarod]

it was just described for you..making catstrophic affordable -HSA for those with enough incomes- so called "competition across state lines"-block grants for Medicade..I'm sure there is more like drug prices negotiations -but that's the basics

So a single father is working at a good job, he is supporting his three kids but is not able to put away extra, he gets debilitating cancer and can no longer work. He loses his job, and thus his insurance and his income.

How does your plan get him insured?

 

[anatta]

So a single father is working at a good job, he is supporting his three kids but is not able to put away extra, he gets debilitating cancer and can no longer work. He loses his job, and thus his insurance and his income.

How does your plan get him insured?

Social Security Disability for him /Medicade from the state -
the kids would come under his disability for Medicade.

 

[Lightbringer]

So a single father is working at a good job, he is supporting his three kids but is not able to put away extra, he gets debilitating cancer and can no longer work. He loses his job, and thus his insurance and his income.

How does your plan get him insured?

Excellent question.

 

[Jarod]

what is "uprated new insurance?" mean..

If he's injured off the job =but has employee coverage -then the employee risk pool would cover his increased premiums
like group insurance .Also don't forget Disability (federal) for those who can't work because of injuries (etc)

No, the guy (like happens to many) loses that insurance because he loses his job. Now he is uninsured and has to go buy private insurance, if he wants to be covered. So now, he has no income because he is injured and no insurance because he is injured, and if he wants to buy insurance its uprated because he was injured.

 

[Jarod]

Excellent question.

Trump said EVERYONE!

 

[Lightbringer]

No, the guy (like happens to many) loses that insurance because he loses his job. Now he is uninsured and has to go buy private insurance, if he wants to be covered. So now, he has no income because he is injured and no insurance because he is injured, and if he wants to buy insurance its uprated because he was injured.

I see the argument you're making...you have a point.

 

[Jarod]

Ive seen this happen to my clients often, they have a job and insurance, when they get injured they lose their job and insurance.

Before the ACA they could not get insured due to the Pre-Existing Condition and then were stuck, injured and uninsured.

Now, under the ACA, they can almost all get insurance in that situation.

 

[Lightbringer]

Ive seen this happen to my clients often, they have a job and insurance, when they get injured they lose their job and insurance.

Before the ACA they could not get insured due to the Pre-Existing Condition and then were stuck, injured and uninsured.

Now, under the ACA, they can almost all get insurance in that situation.

Not true, even under the ACA you have to pay.