In our hearts we felt he was guilty

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Also, I am not arguing that he should be punished without due process, so your point about innocent until proven guilty is irrelevant. I can still believe he is a murderer and argue that he is. I am not the vengeful type anyway which is why I am not too upset about the verdict. It would not have mattered that much if they sent him to prison. Trayvon would still be dead and his parents and loved ones would still have to suffer their loss.

Zimmerman has ruined his life, which saddens me to some extent because I don't believe he is an evil villain that set out to kill Trayvon that night. I think his stupidity and delusions of himself as a faultless hero, uniquely able to deliver justice, led to him becoming a murderer. It happens with many cops too, who nutcases like you then go on a foaming at the mouth rampage about. I think that stems from your own delusions of yourself as the faultless hero.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
if you had all this evidence, and i'm certain that the prosecution did as well, how is it that 6 WOMEN came to a different conclusion? or are you being obtuse about our judicial system because it didn't reach the conclusion you feel that it should?
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How many times are you going to ignore the point that I have acknowledged how others might find reasonable doubt. I don't have to agree with those six women, dumbass. I can disagree. I don't have to think they are stupid, dishonest or evil either. I can just disagree.
 
Neither side can reconcile this murder in their own minds. The pro Zimmerman side needs to continue to try because they know in their hearts that it's the beginning of a corruption that they themselves don't want to see visited on them and theirs. And the other side just straight up face the fact that murder is being legalized in their country and there's nothing they can do to stop the obvious corruption and dehumanizing of America.

But it will go on, just as if they are all lusting for more of the same. And make no mistake, there will be more and more because the bar is now set low for murdering blacks on the street.

Some, especially the sickos on this forum, actually express their glee at the fact that a black man was murdered and the perp walked. For that ilk, their hate will destroy them themselves. A gun related death for that kind of people would be merciful.
 
Professor Baxter said:
How many times are you going to ignore the point that I have acknowledged how others might find reasonable doubt. I don't have to agree with those six women, dumbass. I can disagree. I don't have to think they are stupid, dishonest or evil either. I can just disagree.
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When it's a black person murdered in Florida the 'reasonable doubt' factor is automatically manufactured. You people need to stop fooling yourselves and admit that if the perp was a black man then the outcome would have definitely been different. No amount of arguing back and forth with each other is going to change that fact.

Nothing else matters and you know it. You all know it and that's why this has become such a lasting event for all of you. And you know it's going to produce chickens that will come home.
 
monty1 said:
When it's a black person murdered in Florida the 'reasonable doubt' factor is automatically manufactured. You people need to stop fooling yourselves and admit that if the perp was a black man then the outcome would have definitely been different. No amount of arguing back and forth with each other is going to change that fact.

Nothing else matters and you know it. You all know it and that's why this has become such a lasting event for all of you. And you know it's going to produce chickens that will come home.
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That's simply not true. If there was ever a case with ample "reasonable doubt," it's this one. No one really knows what happened in those last moments except for GZ. If you claim to "know," or even be somewhat certain, you're kidding yourself.
 
The thread title reminds me a bit of the Goldwater slogan. As such, the LBJ retort applies spendidly to Zimmermann: In your guts you know he's nuts. :D
 
Professor Baxter said:
Exactly, he was found not guilty. Team Zimmerman pretends that means he was innocent and that the jury ruled that he had acted in self defense, which is simply not true. It's pretty clear that most of the jury thinks Zimmerman was lucky to get off. If the state had charged him immediately and done a better job he'd probably be in prison where he belongs.
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Good thing the US doesn't have it's laws based on "emotions"; otherwise you might find yourself on the business end of a noose. :)
 
Professor Baxter said:
I referenced the ONE juror that claims Zimmerman's heart was in the right place, but that he behaved badly, and how all the other jurors have registered their disagreement. If you have some other source.

I am not moving any goal posts. I am pointing out that your claim was inaccurate. They did not find that he acted in self defense. They found him not guilty. But he's still a murderer.
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Then why wasn't there a mistrial, due to a hung jury?
OH-THAT'S RIGHT; it's because he wasn't guilty. :)
 
Professor Baxter said:
Where is there any indication that she believed he acted in self defense? She clearly says there wasn't enough proof.
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That's right.
There wasn't any indication that he didn't act in self-defense; ergo: NOT GUILTY.
Would a little ice, help your sour grape whine go down easier? :)
 
Professor Baxter said:
Oh it is an easy step to speculate to it. Martin got tired of whipping his ass after 40 seconds, his adrenaline was gone and he decided it was time to declare victory and retreat. So he started to get off Zimmerman which gave Zimmerman the opportunity he did not previously have to pull his gun and shoot Martin. I agree the proof of that is lacking but it's easy to get there and you don't even need to go far from what is established.

Another possible scenario is that Zimmerman pulled his gun well before shooting, maybe at the very beginning and there was a struggle for the gun, which would explain why on the 911 tape you can hear screams for help (possibly Trayvon's) a second or two before the shot is fired. Again, the evidence for that is lacking.

Zimmerman, obviously, lied or left gaping holes in his story, which is why I don't have a reasonable doubt and I can call him a murderer as much as I like. There is almost no reason to believe he is not a murderer. Enough reason to create a reasonable doubt for some, I can see that, but the idea that he was clearly innocent or justified is absurd and it appears most of the jurors only found reasonable doubt.

Yurt, grind and his daddy are all employing non sequitur reasoning.
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Using your logic, the cow can jump over the moon.
 
Professor Baxter said:
There is evidence. I mentioned the 911 tape. There are the statements by Zimmerman that make it hard to imagine how he could have gotten to his gun. There are also the holes in Zimmerman's statements that have not been explained and make his entire story less credible.

You don't always need incontrovertible evidence to establish a plausible scenario. You were claiming mine were insane but it's VERY plausible and I would say more plausible than Zimmerman's which I didn't find credible enough to raise a reasonable doubt. We don't need a video tape of every crime in order to prove guilt.
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