SmarterthanYou
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you are again wrong. because there was a not guilty verdict, he is not a murderer. why is this very simple concept difficult for you to grasp?
In our hearts we felt he was guilty
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All of this is what the state had to prove BARD. The fact that they acquitted DOES NOT mean they found the shooting justifiable. All it means is the state failed to prove the killing was not justifiable. The jury easily could have found it was possible, based on the evidence that the shooting was justifiable. Mere possibility is enough to raise the spector of doubt. Thus, acquittal.
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I'll never say that Zimmerman was guilty by Florida Law. But I will say that Zimmerman is guilty by Common Sense. Involuntary manslaughter IMO.
I am not having any troubles. He is a murderer that was not convicted.
SmarterthanYou
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be a fool, as you desire.
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"Murder" is definitely a pretty strong charge. Definitely not enough evidence to prove that, or even speculate really.
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To some people. To others of us, it seems clear he murdered Martin even though he wasn't convicted of it
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I'm talking in terms of evidence and what we know based on that evidence.
You're talking in terms of pure conjecture based on a fair amount of bias.
SmarterthanYou
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those are the people that prefer lawlessness compared to the rule of law. why do you prefer anarchy?
Oh it is an easy step to speculate to it. Martin got tired of whipping his ass after 40 seconds, his adrenaline was gone and he decided it was time to declare victory and retreat. So he started to get off Zimmerman which gave Zimmerman the opportunity he did not previously have to pull his gun and shoot Martin. I agree the proof of that is lacking but it's easy to get there and you don't even need to go far from what is established.
Another possible scenario is that Zimmerman pulled his gun well before shooting, maybe at the very beginning and there was a struggle for the gun, which would explain why on the 911 tape you can hear screams for help (possibly Trayvon's) a second or two before the shot is fired. Again, the evidence for that is lacking.
Zimmerman, obviously, lied or left gaping holes in his story, which is why I don't have a reasonable doubt and I can call him a murderer as much as I like. There is almost no reason to believe he is not a murderer. Enough reason to create a reasonable doubt for some, I can see that, but the idea that he was clearly innocent or justified is absurd and it appears most of the jurors only found reasonable doubt.
Yurt, grind and his daddy are all employing non sequitur reasoning.
SmarterthanYou
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and you morons call me insane. good grief.
Do you have anything more than one line ad hominems. There is nothing at all in my two scenarios that is hard to fathom. It's much harder to believe Zimmerman's claim that it took him two minutes to walk HALF WAY back to his vehicle from that street sign or that he was not sure he would make it back in time to meet the police.
SmarterthanYou
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except for the FACT that you have ZERO evidence to support your theories
In truth, Zimmerman 'was' guilty of murder and it wasn't the law that got him off. It was the tradition of excusing any crime a white man commits against a black. Their reputation proves that.
But it seems that most americans need to reconcile this miscarriage of justice some way in the sick fucking heads and so the hate rhetoric will go on for a while longer.
No way is there going to be an attempt to limit or deter these racist crimes so at least the evil pigs can make themselves feel good about it when it happens.
Ya'all need to buy more guns and carry them in your pockets cuz guns are wot's gud and maks you free.
But it seems that most americans need to reconcile this miscarriage of justice some way in the sick fucking heads and so the hate rhetoric will go on for a while longer.
No way is there going to be an attempt to limit or deter these racist crimes so at least the evil pigs can make themselves feel good about it when it happens.
Ya'all need to buy more guns and carry them in your pockets cuz guns are wot's gud and maks you free.
There is evidence. I mentioned the 911 tape. There are the statements by Zimmerman that make it hard to imagine how he could have gotten to his gun. There are also the holes in Zimmerman's statements that have not been explained and make his entire story less credible.
You don't always need incontrovertible evidence to establish a plausible scenario. You were claiming mine were insane but it's VERY plausible and I would say more plausible than Zimmerman's which I didn't find credible enough to raise a reasonable doubt. We don't need a video tape of every crime in order to prove guilt.
SmarterthanYou
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there's a concept in our judicial system I'd like you to become acquainted with. two actually. 1) Innocent until proven guilty, and 2) proving guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.
now, with those in mind, here is how you FAILED trayvon, his family, the people, and the law. you became incensed over the death of someone that the media portrayed as a young, sweet, innocent, and unarmed child, so you rushed and hurried a prosecution so you could show the world that you're NOT a racist and lambasted anyone that tried to show you the folly of your ways. Now that your furious insistence to convict and punish someone has failed, you refuse to admit that you were dumb and stupid for not allowing any real investigation of facts and evidence to come together so you devise a dozen different elaborate theories and scenarios in the hopes that society will not see that YOU were the singular point of failure in the machine.
YOU failed trayvon, not us.
All you need to know is that if the shooter was a black man he probably wouldn't have made it to a trial alive before the police shot him dead. No amount of reconciling of this murder is going to change the facts for honest people. The only problem now is, most Americans can't be honest about it all.
Head fucked racists are the majority and it's not changing for the better. In fact, with Obama as president there's been a revival of racism that rivals the 60's in the deep south. It only lay dormant, it didn't die away in the least.
The southern pigs on this forum represent that pretty clearly now. Enjoy!
You don't seem to have any capacity to teach me anything, as you are a moron with poor reading comprehension. You make this clear by your attempt to ignore that I have referenced reasonable doubt several times even acknowledging that I can see how others might find it in this case.
What are you on? I am not the state prosecutor. I did not bring charges against Zimmerman. Rushed and hurried a prosecution???
It was not until after I reviewed the evidence in Zimmerman's walk through with the times of the 911 calls and the crime scene diagrams, evidence no Zimmerman supporter even wishes to address, that I became convinced he was guilty. I avoided this topic for almost a full year as I found it a gut wrenching tragedy for both sides. You keep wanting to make this about me so you can avoid addressing the argument I presented.
There is nothing elaborate in the TWO, not dozens of, scenarios I offered. They don't even diverge much from each other or the story of Zimmerman. What is elaborate is your and others attempts to avoid the holes in Zimmerman's story and present him as some sort of hero without any faults.
SmarterthanYou
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if you had all this evidence, and i'm certain that the prosecution did as well, how is it that 6 WOMEN came to a different conclusion? or are you being obtuse about our judicial system because it didn't reach the conclusion you feel that it should?
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