We did not need to talk Russia into an extension is the first thing:
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...t-extension-new-start-nuclear-treaty-n1255187
And for a second thing:
https://english.almanar.com.lb/1271448
In Less Than a Week, Biden Was Able to Stop a New Arms Race
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We did not need to talk Russia into an extension is the first thing:
And for a second thing:
T. A. Gardner
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The days of US - Soviet (aka Russian) nuclear arms races is long gone in the past. Neither side is pushing to build vast new stockpiles of nuclear weapons of any sort as neither has any particular need for them. START is a relative waste of time compared to the crisis that is China and their expansionist, and increasingly militant, actions in Asia. China is bent on domination of the entire South China Sea and even closing it off to international marine traffic. That is a huge thing and Biden's all but ignoring it because he's bought and paid for by the CCP.
a 5 year extension? past his term in Office? it's the same old bad deal !
Trump was trying to bring in China -China wants no part of nuclear treaty.
Since this treaty was bad and China wasn't going to join any new treaty, Trump pulled the plug
Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov has stated that any possible replacement of the New START treaty with a new pact would be impossible without a discussion concerning US missile defense.
“If the US is not ready to move on [this] then there are little chances of having a new deal to replace the New START, we should focus on the missile defense problem. Otherwise, arms control will be in question”, Ryabkov said at a press conference on Thursday.
Russia: Any Agreement to Replace New START Treaty Requires Discussing US Missile Defense
https://english.almanar.com.lb/1271448
^ nice find HAWKEYE.. an extension for 5 years is Biden punting and keeping the same
If we had some talks scheduled it might be OK but we dont. it's just more Biden dithering
“If the US is not ready to move on [this] then there are little chances of having a new deal to replace the New START, we should focus on the missile defense problem. Otherwise, arms control will be in question”, Ryabkov said at a press conference on Thursday.
Russia: Any Agreement to Replace New START Treaty Requires Discussing US Missile Defense
https://english.almanar.com.lb/1271448
^ nice find HAWKEYE.. an extension for 5 years is Biden punting and keeping the same
If we had some talks scheduled it might be OK but we dont. it's just more Biden dithering
First, the old deal is not bad. We gain nothing by allowing the old deal to expire. By keeping the old deal for the maximum 5 years, we do not allow it to interfere with a new deal. It is the best anyone could get in under a week.
No, he literally was not trying. trump is too lazy to try. he was "wanting", but any child can want. he lacks the ability to try.
Lightbringer
Loves Me Some Souls
In Less Than a Week, Biden Was Able to Not Piss Himself More Than Ten Times
Thanks for sharing.
Thanks for sharing.
For The Thread:
Cue another five year delay.
The Empire is going to bury us.
https://www.defense.gov/Explore/New...ity-must-be-upgraded-now-defense-official-sa/
Cue another five year delay.
The Empire is going to bury us.
by keeping AN EXTENSION there is NO REASON to CHANGE THE DEAL NOW.
In effect Biden locks us in for 5 years of a crappy deal
so stoopid TDS.
China is not in START -getting some arms control is paramount.
Trump needed to get re-elected to do it, just like the trade agreements with China for add leverage
Biden isnt doing ANYTHING with China for arms control or trade
America needs that deal not to change. We need another deal, not get rid of the old deal that works for us. Having to negotiate two deals at once is senseless, because we are starting from a point of having already given Putin what he wants.
If Putin wants to undo the old deal, he will have to give us something.
The common thing we saw in all of trump's international phone calls was that he tended to scream nonsensically that he needed bribes. Almost everyone thought he was insane. he had four years to try to get a deal with China, and failed to even start. he ended up ranting about how he needed help getting reelected.
The Chinese actually hung up the phone on him a couple of times.
WTF is 2 deals?
You tell Russia they have to comply or there is not going to be negotiations.
Send Blinken over -make himself useful instead of dicking around with the Iran deal
I JUST LINKED all the problems with the New Start. The BIG ONE is tactical nukes.
those are low level yield to be used in a battle theater.
Russia can blackmail us by threatening a tactical nuke strike, and we would back off.
It's not Armageddon , but it would be something like Chernobyl today. a ghost town
Do you see why a bad deal is worse then no deal? It leaves us frozen if they threaten a tac nuke.
If Russia wants to negotiate then it has to be on new terms ( and this isnt the only issue)
I'd rather the Chinese hang up then spend 2 hours of reminiscing of good times like Biden just did with Xi
you fail to grasp Trump signed phase 1 with China
Hoosier Daddy
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hey, punk...hate to burst your snot bubble but Obama's farts have higher IQs than you and your whole hillbilly family have put together. deal with that, trump stooge.
Darth Omar
Russian asset
Trump had his warts and weaknesses but being played for a stooge by foreign leaders wasn’t one of them. Russia, China and Iran can’t be trusted to honor treaties because they are led by liars. It always ends up with the US playing the stooge by holding our end up while the bad guys cheat.
Hoosier Daddy
Verified User
why are you so fucking stupid? so signing a nuclear arms deal with the main nuclear threat to us on the planet is actually MORE DANGEROUS THAN NOT? when both of us have enough nukes and missiles and whatnot to destroy each other thousands of times over? do you get paid to be a stupid clown?
if you want to puke due to a president kissing the shit out of Xi's ass, then have somebody read this to you, when trump bent over for him so often, before he decided to try to use him as a scapegoat for how he totally fucked our response to Covid.
Jan. 22, Twitter:
“One of the many great things about our just signed giant Trade Deal with China is that it will bring both the USA & China closer together in so many other ways. Terrific working with President Xi, a man who truly loves his country. Much more to come!”
Jan. 24, Twitter:
“China has been working very hard to contain the Coronavirus. The United States greatly appreciates their efforts and transparency. It will all work out well. In particular, on behalf of the American People, I want to thank President Xi!”
Jan. 29, Remarks at signing ceremony for the United States-Mexico-Canada Agreement:
“And, honestly, I think, as tough as this negotiation was, I think our relationship with China now might be the best it's been in a long, long time. And now it's reciprocal. Before, we were being ripped off badly. Now we have a reciprocal relationship, maybe even better than reciprocal for us.”
Jan. 30, Fox News interview:
"China is not in great shape right now, unfortunately. But they're working very hard. We'll see what happens. But we're working very closely with China and other countries."
Feb. 7, Remarks at North Carolina Opportunity Now Summit in Charlotte, N.C.:
"I just spoke to President Xi last night, and, you know, we're working on the — the problem, the virus. It's a — it's a very tough situation. But I think he's going to handle it. I think he's handled it really well. We're helping wherever we can."
Feb. 7, Twitter:
“Just had a long and very good conversation by phone with President Xi of China. He is strong, sharp and powerfully focused on leading the counterattack on the Coronavirus. He feels they are doing very well, even building hospitals in a matter of only days … Great discipline is taking place in China, as President Xi strongly leads what will be a very successful operation. We are working closely with China to help!
Feb. 7, Remarks before Marine One departure:
"Late last night, I had a very good talk with President Xi, and we talked about — mostly about the coronavirus. They're working really hard, and I think they are doing a very professional job. They're in touch with World — the World — World Organization. CDC also. We're working together. But World Health is working with them. CDC is working with them. I had a great conversation last night with President Xi. It's a tough situation. I think they're doing a very good job.”
Feb. 10, Fox Business interview:
"I think China is very, you know, professionally run in the sense that they have everything under control," Trump said. "I really believe they are going to have it under control fairly soon. You know in April, supposedly, it dies with the hotter weather. And that's a beautiful date to look forward to. But China I can tell you is working very hard."
Feb. 10, campaign rally in Manchester, N.H.:
“I spoke with President Xi, and they’re working very, very hard. And I think it’s all going to work out fine.”
Feb. 13, Fox News interview:
“I think they've handled it professionally and I think they're extremely capable and I think President Xi is extremely capable and I hope that it's going to be resolved."
Feb. 18, remarks before Air Force One departure:
“I think President Xi is working very hard. As you know, I spoke with him recently. He’s working really hard. It’s a tough problem. I think he’s going to do — look, I’ve seen them build hospitals in a short period of time. I really believe he wants to get that done, and he wants to get it done fast. Yes, I think he’s doing it very professionally.”
Feb. 23, remarks before Marine One departure:
"I think President Xi is working very, very hard. I spoke to him. He's working very hard. I think he's doing a very good job. It's a big problem. But President Xi loves his country. He's working very hard to solve the problem, and he will solve the problem. OK?"
Feb. 26, remarks at a business roundtable in New Delhi, India:
“China is working very, very hard. I have spoken to President Xi, and they’re working very hard. And if you know anything about him, I think he’ll be in pretty good shape. They’re — they’ve had a rough patch, and I think right now they have it — it looks like they’re getting it under control more and more. They’re getting it more and more under control.”
Feb. 27, Coronavirus Task Force press conference:
“I spoke with President Xi. We had a great talk. He’s working very hard, I have to say. He’s working very, very hard. And if you can count on the reports coming out of China, that spread has gone down quite a bit. The infection seems to have gone down over the last two days. As opposed to getting larger, it’s actually gotten smaller.”
Feb. 29, Coronavirus Task Force press conference:
“China seems to be making tremendous progress. Their numbers are way down. … I think our relationship with China is very good. We just did a big trade deal. We’re starting on another trade deal with China — a very big one. And we’ve been working very closely. They’ve been talking to our people, we’ve been talking to their people, having to do with the virus.”
I just gave you strategic flaws in the treaty -yes a bad treaty is worse then none -
read the links for other info on proliferation
Trump got his infor from the WHO and Fauci - Fauci was praising China all thru February
Trump left the WHO because it was a lackey running dog for the CCP
Obsequious Biden just rejoined without demanding ANY reform
New START: The U.S. Should Not Extend the Dangerously Flawed Treaty for Five More Years
https://www.heritage.org/defense/re...the-dangerously-flawed-treaty-five-more-years
Continue efforts to engage Russia in nuclear discussions. The Administration has reached out to Russia to begin a nuclear dialogue, and it should continue this effort by immediately appointing a senior envoy for negotiations. The Administration must discuss the inclusion of Russia’s new nuclear-capable systems and tactical warheads into any extended agreement, as well as fixing the counting and verification problems in New START. While a solution within the next 11 months is unlikely, attempting dialogue with Russia will give the Administration the ability to convey its concerns with the current New START framework and reveal Russia’s provocative behavior.
Allow New START to expire in February 2021, absent concrete progress in negotiations. The treaty is flawed, outdated, and does not provide the United States with useful constraints on Russian capabilities. If U.S. and Russian diplomats have made concrete progress on negotiating an improved agreement before the expiration date, a short extension might be justified in order for negotiations to be finalized—but even then, the Administration should not extend the Treaty for five years.
Fund modernization of the U.S. nuclear enterprise to field new systems as quickly as possible. Proponents in Congress must continue to ensure that the Administration’s request for modernization programs receives full funding. The Department of Defense should request funding for the SLCM-N as a program of record in fiscal year 2022 to bring on this new capability as quickly as possible.23
Aaron Mehta, “The US Navy’s New Nuclear Cruise Missile Starts Getting Real Next Year,” Defense News, February 21, 2020, https://www.defensenews.com/smr/nuc...cruise-missile-starts-getting-real-next-year/ (accessed February 24, 2020).
Substantial progress on these programs will eventually help to compel Russia back to the negotiating table.
Lay the groundwork to commence arms control discussions with China. Even though China currently has a limited stockpile of about 300 warheads, it continues to advance its stockpile and nuclear triad. The Administration should continue reaching out to China to pursue even minor confidence-building measures for nuclear verification and transparency. The Administration should push its allies to do the same. It should also look to field capabilities that might compel China to the negotiating table, such as ground-launched cruise missiles deployed to the Pacific.
Arms control agreements do not have intrinsic merit; the United States should always reject agreements that do not serve U.S. national security interests. While the future of arms control remains unknown, it is important for the United States to begin laying the groundwork now to eventually compel both Russia and China to the negotiating table to agree on genuine arms control that serves U.S. security interests, enhances stability, and prevents U.S. adversaries from realizing their hegemonic ambitions.
https://www.heritage.org/defense/re...the-dangerously-flawed-treaty-five-more-years
Continue efforts to engage Russia in nuclear discussions. The Administration has reached out to Russia to begin a nuclear dialogue, and it should continue this effort by immediately appointing a senior envoy for negotiations. The Administration must discuss the inclusion of Russia’s new nuclear-capable systems and tactical warheads into any extended agreement, as well as fixing the counting and verification problems in New START. While a solution within the next 11 months is unlikely, attempting dialogue with Russia will give the Administration the ability to convey its concerns with the current New START framework and reveal Russia’s provocative behavior.
Allow New START to expire in February 2021, absent concrete progress in negotiations. The treaty is flawed, outdated, and does not provide the United States with useful constraints on Russian capabilities. If U.S. and Russian diplomats have made concrete progress on negotiating an improved agreement before the expiration date, a short extension might be justified in order for negotiations to be finalized—but even then, the Administration should not extend the Treaty for five years.
Fund modernization of the U.S. nuclear enterprise to field new systems as quickly as possible. Proponents in Congress must continue to ensure that the Administration’s request for modernization programs receives full funding. The Department of Defense should request funding for the SLCM-N as a program of record in fiscal year 2022 to bring on this new capability as quickly as possible.23
Aaron Mehta, “The US Navy’s New Nuclear Cruise Missile Starts Getting Real Next Year,” Defense News, February 21, 2020, https://www.defensenews.com/smr/nuc...cruise-missile-starts-getting-real-next-year/ (accessed February 24, 2020).
Substantial progress on these programs will eventually help to compel Russia back to the negotiating table.
Lay the groundwork to commence arms control discussions with China. Even though China currently has a limited stockpile of about 300 warheads, it continues to advance its stockpile and nuclear triad. The Administration should continue reaching out to China to pursue even minor confidence-building measures for nuclear verification and transparency. The Administration should push its allies to do the same. It should also look to field capabilities that might compel China to the negotiating table, such as ground-launched cruise missiles deployed to the Pacific.
Arms control agreements do not have intrinsic merit; the United States should always reject agreements that do not serve U.S. national security interests. While the future of arms control remains unknown, it is important for the United States to begin laying the groundwork now to eventually compel both Russia and China to the negotiating table to agree on genuine arms control that serves U.S. security interests, enhances stability, and prevents U.S. adversaries from realizing their hegemonic ambitions.
PoliTalker
Diversity Makes Greatness
Hello T. A. Gardner,
Biden has no ties to China. Absurd imaginary false made-up nonsense.
There is zero evidence of that.
Just more lies from loser Trump.
Biden has no ties to China. Absurd imaginary false made-up nonsense.
There is zero evidence of that.
Just more lies from loser Trump.
Hoosier Daddy
Verified User
are you fucking crazy? he was not played by putin? by little kim? by erdogan? by the murderous Saudi Prince? good god. how can you say something so blatantly dishonest and stupid?
Hoosier Daddy
Verified User
buzzzzzzzz!!! disqualified!! using the stupid fuck heritage foundation as a source. go straight to jail. do not pass go. quit being such an easily played dumbass.
Putting arms to one side: USA and the Dems will certainly get Communism. Good luck. Biden will destroy the USA.