Immigrants aren't stealing jobs, robots are

[Legionthecat]

Automation does not kill job growth you fucking luddite, it stimulates job growth in the service sector where jobs lost in manufacturing are replaced.


The Luddite fallacy is the simple observation that new technology does not lead to higher overall unemployment in the economy. New technology doesn’t destroy jobs – it only changes the composition of jobs in the economy.

Why do Economists say that new technology does not cause unemployment?

Firstly, rapid technological change may cause some short-term temporary unemployment. However, economic theory suggests that jobs lost as a result of technological change will be created in different, new industries.


When automated looms were built, it became cheaper to manufacturer clothes. Therefore, consumers buying clothes would have experienced lower prices, and therefore, after buying the same amount of clothes, they would have more disposable income to buy other goods. For example, they may now be able to afford a train ticket to go and buy a silk scarf in town.

With technological change, we see increased demand for new products; therefore new jobs are created on the railways and shops selling more luxury items, such as scarves and hats.

Also, there will be some jobs created in the building of the automated looms.

With new technology, firms selling clothes will also be more profitable. This profit may be used to fund future investment and job creation.

Over time, improved technology would mean that even automated looms become outdated. New technology may enable clothes to be mass produced with even fewer workers. Again, this would cause a relative fall in the price of clothes, and consumers would have more disposable income to buy goods, but also spend on labour intensive services.

This is what has happened over the past 100 – 200 years – new Technology has enabled the economy to move towards a more service sector based economy. Lower costs of manufactured goods, enables us to be able to afford a wider range of goods and services.


http://www.economicshelp.org/blog/6717/economics/the-luddite-fallacy/

What you are missing from the OP is that service jobs are being replaced by computers and kiosks at the same pace or maybe even faster than in manufacturing.
The laid off factory worker whose job is replaced by a robot will find that when he applies at Burger King, that that a kiosk will be asking if you want to supersize your meal and he won't be needed there either.
Have you flown lately? Airlines hire only a fraction of the service personnel they did only a few years ago with automatic check in, baggage check and ticket selling kiosks all over the places where we used to wait in line at the service counter.

 

[Legionthecat]

It improves lives in the sense it keeps prices down allowing greater access. If fast food shops automate service and people rebel then the restaurants will have to make changes. That's the market at work

Do you really expect that Wendy's burgers will cost you less because a kiosk took your order and a robot flipped it onto the bun?
Or will Wendy's executives simply get bigger golden parachutes when they are retired early by a super-computer.
People will take what corporations give them. No one rebels anymore. They only complain.

 

[cawacko]

Do you really expect that Wendy's burgers will cost you less because a kiosk took your order and a robot flipped it onto the bun?
Or will Wendy's executives simply get bigger golden parachutes when they are retired early by a super-computer.
People will take what corporations give them. No one rebels anymore. They only complain.

Many Wendy's are franchises. They're not owned by millionaires. Therefore they will generally pass on added costs to the consumer. If automation up front keeps costs, and thus prices, down they will do so.

Workers are free to rebel but when you are working at job that basically anyone can do you don't have a whole lot of leverage.

 

[Legion Troll]

Idiot the majority of jobs in the US are in the service sector not manufacturing and illegal immigration is driving down wages in that sector due to the aforementioned reasons listed, automation killing job growth is a long disproven economic fallacy because when automation replaces manual labor those jobs are replaced in the service sector the very same sector where the American worker is being killed by illegal immigrants with whom they can not compete.

Another idiot who didn't read the OP.

 

[Legion Troll]

What you are missing from the OP is that service jobs are being replaced by computers and kiosks at the same pace or maybe even faster than in manufacturing.
The laid off factory worker whose job is replaced by a robot will find that when he applies at Burger King, that that a kiosk will be asking if you want to supersize your meal and he won't be needed there either.
Have you flown lately? Airlines hire only a fraction of the service personnel they did only a few years ago with automatic check in, baggage check and ticket selling kiosks all over the places where we used to wait in line at the service counter.

Where would he fly? He's proven that he only posts about ISIS all the time, he doesn't dare face up to them in person.

 

[Legionthecat]

Libertarians have a saying.

Funny!

 

[Legionthecat]

Where would he fly? He's proven that he only posts about ISIS all the time, he doesn't dare face up to them in person.

Of course.
I forgot who I was talking to.
What was I thinking?

 

[Face Your]

What you are missing from the OP is that service jobs are being replaced by computers and kiosks at the same pace or maybe even faster than in manufacturing.
The laid off factory worker whose job is replaced by a robot will find that when he applies at Burger King, that that a kiosk will be asking if you want to supersize your meal and he won't be needed there either.
Have you flown lately? Airlines hire only a fraction of the service personnel they did only a few years ago with automatic check in, baggage check and ticket selling kiosks all over the places where we used to wait in line at the service counter.

I haven't seen those yet but I have seen the self check outs at Walmart and they are always empty, because A) what customer wants to be an employee for free?, and B) the 90 year old lady buying her depends in bulk can't figure out the damn computer, IMO you need a human factor in the service industry.

Furthermore; would it really be cost effective to completely automate a McDonalds? Not just the cashier but the backline crew as well? You would have to have a high paid robotics expert on staff for routine maitenance, an IT guy etc. at every location unless they intend to shut down everytime there's a software bug causing a system crash , a power outtage, or a fuse breaks, it makes sense for large manufacturing plants like GM but at McDonald's? I just don't see it.

 

[Legionthecat]

Many Wendy's are franchises. They're not owned by millionaires. Therefore they will generally pass on added costs to the consumer. If automation up front keeps costs, and thus prices, down they will do so.
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Think so?
You are less pessimistic than I am about corporate controlled national food chains.

 

[Legion Troll]

Libertarians are content to take government benefits while crying about taxes and the size and scope of government.

They are whining takers who bite the hand that feeds them.

They are a tiny minority and have no chance of taking power.

 

[Legion Troll]

Think so?
You are less pessimistic than I am about corporate controlled national food chains.

Cawacky thinks franchisees can set prices based on their labor costs.

 

[Face Your]

Where would he fly? He's proven that he only posts about ISIS all the time, he doesn't dare face up to them in person.

Are you really making conversation with your sock?

 

[cawacko]

Think so?
You are less pessimistic than I am about corporate controlled national food chains.

It's just market forces at work.

 

[Legion Troll]

Are you really making conversation with your sock?

Sock? My shoes have more sense and courage than you do, cowardly idiot.

 

[Timshel]

Do you really expect that Wendy's burgers will cost you less because a kiosk took your order and a robot flipped it onto the bun?
Or will Wendy's executives simply get bigger golden parachutes when they are retired early by a super-computer.
People will take what corporations give them. No one rebels anymore. They only complain.

If Wendy's does not then McDonald's, BK, Jack in the Box or someone else certainly will.

 

[Legion Troll]

It's just market forces at work.

Market forces are supreme in the Libertarian theology, and Ayn Rand is the High Priestess of their cult.

She died in poverty collecting government benefits, didn't she?

 

[Legion Troll]

If Wendy's does not then McDonald's, BK, Jack in the Box or someone else certainly will.

Corporate profits trump human well-being in your world, don't they?

Hasa Diga Eebowai.

 

[Legionthecat]

I haven't seen those yet but I have seen the self check outs at Walmart and they are always empty, because A) what customer wants to be an employee for free?, and B) the 90 year old lady buying her depends in bulk can't figure out the damn computer, IMO you need a human factor in the service industry.

Furthermore; would it really be cost effective to completely automate a McDonalds? Not just the cashier but the backline crew as well? You would have to have a high paid robotics expert on staff for routine maitenance, an IT guy etc. at every location unless they intend to shut down everytime there's a software bug or a fuse breaks, it makes sense for large manufacturing plants like GM but at McDonald's? I just don't see it.

You aren't looking very hard;

Business • Food • Tech
New McDonald’s In Phoenix Run Entirely By Robots
1 year ago

Phoenix, AZ — After seeing a decline in earnings for the first time in nine years, McDonald’s plans to do something no other restaurant of its kind has ever done before; open a store run entirely by robots.
The store is set to open July 4th in Phoenix, Arizona once the state-of-the-art robot remodel is complete. The restaurant will still employ a small team of human employees to insure all of the robots are working correctly, the food and cleaning supplies remain stocked along with removing the money collected by the robots. Visitors to the restaurant will see these new robots working in harmony at a speed of 50 times faster than the average McDonald’s employee, with no chance of error. If the test launch for the store is a success, people can expect to see robots working in McDonald’s restaurants all over the country and the world.

The store’s new manager, Peter Gibbons, told CNN that he has worked with the robots at a product development facility in San Francisco for the last six months and speaks highly of the machines.

“These things are great! They get their work done in a fast and orderly manner, plus they don’t ask for cigarette breaks.”

37-year-old Paul Horner, a spokesman for McDonald’s told reporters that because of the demand for a $15/hr minimum wage, the company has been playing with the idea of a restaurant run entirely by robots for years and believes their “McRobots” are the answer.



“With the high demand for a minimum wage of $15/hr and the protests getting worse every day, this is something we had to implement. Plus with the tremendous margin of human error, poor hygiene, lack of education, laziness, as well as the recent advancements in artificial intelligence it just make sense to automate our restaurants now rather than later.”

http://newsexaminer.net/food/mcdonalds-to-open-restaurant-run-by-robots/

HASA DIGA TRUMPF!​

 

[Legion Troll]

You aren't looking very hard;

He's a cowardly idiot. What do you expect?

 

[Legionthecat]

He's a cowardly idiot. What do you expect?

HASA DIGA TRUMPF!​