I'm Sure This is Just a Coincidence

To hear Republicans tell it, they are waging a virtuous campaign to crack down on rampant voter fraud – a curious position for a party that managed to seize control of the White House in 2000 despite having lost the popular vote.

After taking power, the Bush administration declared war on voter fraud, making it a "top priority" for federal prosecutors.

In 2006, the Justice Department fired two U.S. attorneys who refused to pursue trumped-up cases of voter fraud in New Mexico and Washington, and Karl Rove called illegal voting "an enormous and growing problem."

In parts of America, he told the Republican National Lawyers Association, "we are beginning to look like we have elections like those run in countries where the guys in charge are colonels in mirrored sunglasses."

According to the GOP, community organizers like ACORN were actively recruiting armies of fake voters to misrepresent themselves at the polls and cast illegal ballots for the Democrats.


http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-gop-war-on-voting-20110830
 
Alias said:
The NY Times did a recount and found Bush won. Gore lost his home state of Tennesee which would have made him President without needing Florida. Deal with it.
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You say that it didn't matter whether there was a recount because bush would have won anyway, but that's not the argument here. My comment was in response to SF's post that every vote counts. If every vote counts, then there was no reason why the FL recount shouldn't have continued until a definitive answer was reached.

Next, you spread the fiction that illegals will flood the system with phony votes unless photo IDs are required. Yet you have no proof this has occurred in the past, and only supposition that it can or will occur in the future.

Seems to me you want to have it both ways, as long as those ways benefit conservatives.
 
Onceler said:
Adding layers to the voting process WILL reduce the # of voters statistically. You can call it whatever you want.

And it is no coincidence that the GOP is consistently the party that wants to add more layers, and opposes measures like motor-voter. They benefit from fewer people voting. If we had 100% turnout in this country, the political landscape would look much different. The Republican party would basically look like it does in NY or MA.
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christiefan915 said:
My voter registration card was free.

Government-issued photo IDs aren't.

People will have to pay for a photo ID in order to vote.

Where is any of that in the Constitution?
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you guys are just fear mongers.

Fees

Your fee, paid during your appointment, will be:

$26 application fee for most applicants.

Free, for those 62 years of age or older.

Free, for those who must give up a driver license due to a medical condition.

A $7 reduced-fee ID card is available for low-income residents.

http://www.dmv.org/ca-california/id-cards.php
 
Yurt said:
you guys are just fear mongers.

Fees

Your fee, paid during your appointment, will be:

$26 application fee for most applicants.

Free, for those 62 years of age or older.

Free, for those who must give up a driver license due to a medical condition.

A $7 reduced-fee ID card is available for low-income residents.

http://www.dmv.org/ca-california/id-cards.php
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LOL - anything to defend Republicans.

The facts are these: the GOP generally benefits when fewer people vote. They have a history of adding layers to the process, and of opposing measures which make it easier for more people to get registered & vote. Statistically, voting will go down when measures like the ones discussed on this thread pass.

What is it w/ you & the GOP, anyway? It's rare to see someone so fiercely loyal to what they do...
 
christiefan915 said:
EVERY VOTE didn't count then, did it.

"On December 12, the Supreme Court ruled in a 7–2 vote that the Florida Supreme Court's ruling requiring a statewide recount of ballots was unconstitutional, and in a 5–4 vote that the Florida recounts could not be completed before a December 12 "safe harbor" deadline, and should therefore cease and the previously certified total should hold."
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yes, every vote counted then.
 
Onceler said:
Adding layers to the voting process WILL reduce the # of voters statistically. You can call it whatever you want.

And it is no coincidence that the GOP is consistently the party that wants to add more layers, and opposes measures like motor-voter. They benefit from fewer people voting. If we had 100% turnout in this country, the political landscape would look much different. The Republican party would basically look like it does in NY or MA.
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Onceler said:
LOL - anything to defend Republicans.

The facts are these: the GOP generally benefits when fewer people vote. They have a history of adding layers to the process, and of opposing measures which make it easier for more people to get registered & vote. Statistically, voting will go down when measures like the ones discussed on this thread pass.

What is it w/ you & the GOP, anyway? It's rare to see someone so fiercely loyal to what they do...
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what? i don't care which party supports voter ID, i support it and see nothing wrong with it. you just want dems to win by having unregistered voters vote. <-- see what i did there, i used dumb onceler logic.

i agree with SF and i showed the link to show how stupid you guys are by claiming people can't get ID's. why are you so scared?
 
christiefan915 said:
You say that it didn't matter whether there was a recount because bush would have won anyway, but that's not the argument here. My comment was in response to SF's post that every vote counts. If every vote counts, then there was no reason why the FL recount shouldn't have continued until a definitive answer was reached.

Next, you spread the fiction that illegals will flood the system with phony votes unless photo IDs are required. Yet you have no proof this has occurred in the past, and only supposition that it can or will occur in the future.

Seems to me you want to have it both ways, as long as those ways benefit conservatives.
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Every LEGAL vote counts, and that benefits all of us as American citizens. Would you agree with that?
 
David St. Hubbins said:
So we should disenfranchise millions of people because of a virtually non-existent problem? That's really smart.
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"virtually non-existent"....does that mean that like virtual reality, it only presents a potential simulation of that which actually might occur......causes us to believe we are experiencing that which we aren't actually experiencing?........would a non-existent problem be preferable to a virtually non existent problem?.......
 
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If voter impersonation is such a crisis, where are your statistics?
 
PostmodernProphet said:
100% of voters are not required to prove they are the person they claim they are......
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Untrue.


Thirty states require all voters to show ID before voting at the polls. In 14 of these, the ID must include a photo of the voter; in the remaining 16, non-photo forms of ID are acceptable...


http://www.ncsl.org/default.aspx?tabid=16602


So you have no evidence that voter impersonation is a problem, but demand intrusive governement action to correct a non-issue?


Your ignorance is profound.
 
but you object to the same reasonable procedure in the other twenty states?.......why is that?......how many people have been disenfranchised in those thirty states?......is the left demanding that those states stop their unconstitutional requirements?.......
 
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