Illegal faces deportation. Wife cries " But we haven't done anything wrong"

anatta said:
agreed. but that would mean Congress needs to actually pass laws and not just let executive orders flip-flop from one president to the other
When is the last time Congress tackled any meaningful immigration reform?
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Congress??? The necessary laws are already there. Obozo just refused to enforce them. Trump hopefully will enforce them and he also needs to ignore immigration "laws" written by the Supreme Court (in brazen contradiction to the constitution) such as their 1982 royal edict that ordered states to give free k-12 to illegal kids.
 
cawacko said:
The killer had a criminal record. He should never have been set free. That is who we need to target.
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We shouldn't focus on them until they have a record? If we get rid of illegals as soon as they are determined to be illegal, they can't get a record other than in their home country.
 
grapnel said:
What bargain? Read the article. Someone from the government told him is he showed up annually to see if he could stay, he could. So he did. That is the fault of whatever government agency told him to do that. Not the guy.
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So it's Obama's fault.

I can accept that.

So we'll pay for the guy's bus ticket.
 
CFM said:
We shouldn't focus on them until they have a record? If we get rid of illegals as soon as they are determined to be illegal, they can't get a record other than in their home country.
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The reality is we aren't getting rid of all 11 million people here illegally. Trump speaks about wanting to reduce crime well start with getting rid of those with criminal records.
 
The Migration Policy Institute reported in 2013 that the federal government spends more each year on immigration enforcement — through Immigration and Customs Enforcement and the Border Patrol — than on all other federal law enforcement agencies combined... This exceeds the sum of all spending for the Federal Bureau of Investigation; the Drug Enforcement Administration; the Secret Service; the Marshals Service; and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.



ICE and the Border Patrol already refer more cases for federal prosecution than the entire Justice Department, and the number of people they detain each year (more than 400,000) is greater than the number of inmates being held by the Federal Bureau of Prisons for all other federal crimes.



Congress requires the Homeland Security Department to maintain about 34,000 immigration detention beds, at an estimated annual cost of $2 billion, or $5.5 million a day.



The American Action Forum last year estimated that expelling all unauthorized immigrants, and keeping them out, would cost $400 billion to $600 billion, and reduce the gross domestic product by $1 trillion.



The Social Security Administration estimatesthat unauthorized immigrations pay about $13 billion a year into Social Security and get only about $1 billion back.



The war on illegal immigrants is another gigantic boondoggle that isn't working, can't work and is bad for America. That doesn't mean we should just walk away and forget about it, but it does mean that we are approaching the issue the wrong way and need to change our approach.
 
Bill Fishlore said:
The Migration Policy Institute reported in 2013 that the federal government spends more each year on immigration enforcement — through Immigration and Customs Enforcement and the Border Patrol — than on all other federal law enforcement agencies combined... This exceeds the sum of all spending for the Federal Bureau of Investigation; the Drug Enforcement Administration; the Secret Service; the Marshals Service; and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.



ICE and the Border Patrol already refer more cases for federal prosecution than the entire Justice Department, and the number of people they detain each year (more than 400,000) is greater than the number of inmates being held by the Federal Bureau of Prisons for all other federal crimes.



Congress requires the Homeland Security Department to maintain about 34,000 immigration detention beds, at an estimated annual cost of $2 billion, or $5.5 million a day.



The American Action Forum last year estimated that expelling all unauthorized immigrants, and keeping them out, would cost $400 billion to $600 billion, and reduce the gross domestic product by $1 trillion.



The Social Security Administration estimatesthat unauthorized immigrations pay about $13 billion a year into Social Security and get only about $1 billion back.



The war on illegal immigrants is another gigantic boondoggle that isn't working, can't work and is bad for America. That doesn't mean we should just walk away and forget about it, but it does mean that we are approaching the issue the wrong way and need to change our approach.
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You come up with this info yourself or copy and paste without giving credit?
 
Bill Fishlore said:
The Migration Policy Institute reported in 2013 that the federal government spends more each year on immigration enforcement — through Immigration and Customs Enforcement and the Border Patrol — than on all other federal law enforcement agencies combined... This exceeds the sum of all spending for the Federal Bureau of Investigation; the Drug Enforcement Administration; the Secret Service; the Marshals Service; and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.



ICE and the Border Patrol already refer more cases for federal prosecution than the entire Justice Department, and the number of people they detain each year (more than 400,000) is greater than the number of inmates being held by the Federal Bureau of Prisons for all other federal crimes.



Congress requires the Homeland Security Department to maintain about 34,000 immigration detention beds, at an estimated annual cost of $2 billion, or $5.5 million a day.



The American Action Forum last year estimated that expelling all unauthorized immigrants, and keeping them out, would cost $400 billion to $600 billion, and reduce the gross domestic product by $1 trillion.



The Social Security Administration estimatesthat unauthorized immigrations pay about $13 billion a year into Social Security and get only about $1 billion back.



The war on illegal immigrants is another gigantic boondoggle that isn't working, can't work and is bad for America. That doesn't mean we should just walk away and forget about it, but it does mean that we are approaching the issue the wrong way and need to change our approach.
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???....we are changing our approach.....it's what you call a war on illegals.....the rest of us just call it enforcement.....
 
cawacko said:
The reality is we aren't getting rid of all 11 million people here illegally. Trump speaks about wanting to reduce crime well start with getting rid of those with criminal records.
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EVERY illegal that's here IS a criminal. Glad you agree they ALL need to be gone.
 
grapnel said:
That is a dangerous precedent to be setting for future politicians. It could come back and bite you ( not this particular law). Say some government agency in this administration says you are legally doing something. Maybe a fine you do not have to pay for example. Now the next administration comes in, needs money, says screw that find everyone that was forgiven for paying and make them pay. There needs to be continuity across political administrations. One person should not have that kind of power.
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Your alternative however is to make these things as effective as changing the law. If this was binding upon all future presidents and none would have the power to change it then the next democrat in power could make this deal with everyone and you have effectively given unilateral amnesty.

Obama had no power to guarantee that he could stay in the US indefinetly as he could not bind the actions of future officials.

If you want to change immigration law to make things like this permanent then actually change the law. Dont take a shortcut via the executive and then complain when another executive undoes it.
 
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cawacko said:
The reality is we aren't getting rid of all 11 million people here illegally. Trump speaks about wanting to reduce crime well start with getting rid of those with criminal records.
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11 million??? The govt has been using that number for 35 years. It's a lie for sure. More like 40 million.
 
tsuke said:
Your alternative however is to make these things as effective as changing the law. If this was binding upon all future presidents and none would have the power to change it then the next democrat in power could make this deal with everyone and you have effectively given unilateral amnesty.

Obama had no power to guarantee that he could stay in the US indefinetly as he could not bind the actions of future officials.

If you want to change immigration law to make things like this permanent then actually change the law. Dont take a shortcut via the executive and then complain when another executive undoes it.
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Obama had no power to grant amnesty at all. The constitution says the president "shall take care that the laws be faithfully executed" and here's a president giving millions of illegals a certificate saying they could live and work here even though the law says they can do neither!!! He needed to get congress to change the law but they refused and so he said "OK- i won't enforce the law". Mind-boggling
 
CFM said:
EVERY illegal that's here IS a criminal. Glad you agree they ALL need to be gone.
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Ok. The issue is people like you want to limit legal immigration on top of everything else which will have very negative consequences to our econony. And you would be against creating more work visas which would allow more folks to come here legally. And as a result people come illegally or like 40% over stay their visas.
 
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