I'll be damned...the most brutal of the Delhi gang rapists is Muslim.

You said: "...the fact that its condoned and commonplace in Islamic culture means nothing ?" Islamic "culture" is based on the Qur'an, numbnuts.


Yes...I said 'culture' because I mean culture......if I meant religion, I'd have said religion....

It their culture that allows them to rationalize enslaving their women.....using archaic sharia laws and punishments like stoning when they are innocent victims
of their enslavement........
Does a man in that barbaric culture get wiped and beaten for exposing his naked ankle or arm...or even face.....

grow up and face reality.

Its a small minority in their culture, that allow women even the most basic of civil rights in most cases....
 
"kicks"

"simple showing off"

"hazing"

what the fuccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccck tom

holy balls.

wow.
 
Well, I'm glad others are finally starting to notice. I feel that since that infamous rape thread, and all of the allusions I made to it, many men here have stepped up more. I think that many didn't know what exactly was happening in that thread, and didn't realize how bad it was. And that is a relief to me. And I have noticed. And it does matter.
 
I'm not talking about the Steubenville case....

I'm talking about things like the date-rape drug
 
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No one here will ever know it simply because we do not have a diverse enough community for this to have come up, but I become just as enraged at people who respond to this by posting that we didn't pass the violence against women act so we have no room to talk. Responses like this always remind me of I guess about 10 years ago when a Yale feminist student was protesting against some sexist policy or other at Yale (and the policy was sexist, and i agreed with her, to be clear), and was asked why she didn't protest a male Muslim student's recent comments about women. And she refused. I have contempt for that.

I have equal contempt for the sexist man who makes rape jokes, trivializes rape, enforces rape culture, and is a rape apologist, who screams and rants about rape in other countries and demands that American feminists address it. He uses this to trivialize American feminism, American feminists, and violence against women in this and other western countries. To me, he is the woman mentioned above. She is him. Both have political agendas. The only difference is, she has probably never raped anybody...I cannot say the same for him.

I argue with women who express those views all of the time. None of them post here. I refuse to ever clap like a fucking monkey for male sexists here who demand I "denounce" something in another country. They can roundly go fuck themselves sideways.

When I see a rape and torture and murder like this, or a gang rape like the one in Ohio, or any act of violence like these, I am shaken inside. I cry. These women, all of them, are me. I am them. I feel that all Americans need to read "Dark End of the Street: Black women, Rape, and Resistance" which chronicles the systemic use of rape as a terrorist tactic in the apartheid south. It's important history to know because this history still echoes through to today, in every way. There is no way to read this book without crying many times, and feeling crumpled on the ground next to the victims. Because they are me, I am them.

This is the true feeling of sisterhood, that I believe is similar to what BAC means when he calls people here "brother". Few seem to understand it and many mock it "the sistahs" dripping with their hate. But that is what it is. It is not an ideology, it is not intellectual, it is not plotting against men...it is a feeling, not a thought. A feeling at the most visceral level that I am her and she is me.

And that is that! Now you can all carry on, as I have learned better than to argue with the digusting people here on this subject.

Darla, thank you for this eloquently stated post. I greatly admire you for your passion and commitment to the rights of women.
 
You won't annoy me with questions about Roethlisberger because I never defended him. Ever. I think he should have been booted off the team. You guys do annoy me, though, when you criticize the rest of the team because of Roethlisberger's crimes.

Yes, I remember you statement about it and this has always been your position.
 
It's about kicks pure and simple and showing off to their buddies. Doesn't that sort of shit happen a lot during hazing week? What is very hard to understand is that pictures and video were passed around on FB between men and women who all seemed to find it hilarious. I believe it was Anonymous that outed the details.

You are truly disturbed, seek help, self medication is not working.
 
"kicks"

"simple showing off"

"hazing"

what the fuccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccck tom

holy balls.

wow.

Where did I say that I in any way approved of it? I was just trying to explain it from their viewpoint and also the way that the pictures were passed around between men and women on social media without seemingly anybody doing anything about it. That's what truly boggles the mind.
 
You are truly disturbed, seek help, self medication is not working.

Where do I say that I condone any of this? I found it very disturbing that nobody saw fit to do anything about it until Anonymous got hold of the video.
 
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I found your remarks about you being happy with thousands of children being shot a price worth paying to keep your weapons extremely nauseating yet none of the women here seemed to bat an eyelid!!

Well, you are quite wrong about that, I did indeed comment to him.
 
Where did I say that I in any way approved of it? I was just trying to explain it from their viewpoint and also the way that the pictures were passed around between men and women on social media without seemingly anybody doing anything about it. That's what truly boggles the mind.

Oh I see... you decided that you should "explain" rape from the rapists' viewpoint...and not only do you feel it is imporant that we view rape from the point of view of the rapist, but you feel qualified to explain what they're thinking and feeling. Interesting...

And the gang rape and complete inhuman degredation of another human being is comparable to a little hazing. Isn't that exactly how Rush Limbaugh tried to pass off the sexual torture at Abu Ghraib? Why yes it is.

Funny how the right wing mind is the right wing mind no matter where it is posting from. Well, good luck with all that Tom.
 
I found your remarks about you being happy with thousands of children being shot a price worth paying to keep your weapons extremely nauseating yet none of the women here seemed to bat an eyelid!!

i never said I was happy. I said given the choice between the two I would always side with gun rights. And I don't hide from what my viewpoints are. I stand by them, I don't turn them into anything they aren't.

When you say stuff like "oh they were just fooling around! It was hazing!" you might as well be condoning it. In fact, you are.
 
i never said I was happy. I said given the choice between the two I would always side with gun rights. And I don't hide from what my viewpoints are. I stand by them, I don't turn them into anything they aren't.

When you say stuff like "oh they were just fooling around! It was hazing!" you might as well be condoning it. In fact, you are.

Ok, looking back I meant to say that from their point of view they saw it that way. That is very disturbing as is the fact that nobody saw fit to do anything about it until Anonymous got involved. Are you trying to tell me that there isn't some nasty shit that goes on in hazing, I have read a few articles where people have died doing some sadistic hazing stunts?

Oh and I still find your comments about guns and children to be barking mad and highly offensive.

http://bismarcktribune.com/news/local/article_181d8b30-0c67-11e0-bb37-001cc4c002e0.html

http://www.dosomething.org/tipsandtools/has-sports-hazing-gone-too-far

http://fraternaltruth.com/category/hazing/
 
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It's about kicks pure and simple and showing off to their buddies. Doesn't that sort of shit happen a lot during hazing week? What is very hard to understand is that pictures and video were passed around on FB between men and women who all seemed to find it hilarious. I believe it was Anonymous that outed the details.


It was about NOT placing a value on a human being.


Anyone who thinks its OK to use a human being this way has very deep problems.
 
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