If Obama accepted a jumbo jet from a Muslim country???

[serenity]

wrong.

You believe doesn't count. the plane that took Michelle Obama on vacations around the world was called Bright Star. Google gave to to me and AI doesn't lie..

 

[Jarod]

You believe doesn't count. the plane that took Michelle Obama on vacations around the world was called Bright Star. Google gave to to me and AI doesn't lie..

Did she keep it for their library.

 

[Walt]

Is the gift to Trump or the United States?

It is attached to trump. So first it will be a "loan" to the US, but then when trump leaves office, it will be a "loan" to his presidential library. It will be for his free use for the rest of his life, and then after he dies, it will be for the free use of his heir.

When Trump leaves office it will either be flown by the next president or go to Trumps Presidential library. Which happens to many retired Air Force One planes.

It is required to become a loan to the trump presidential library, where it will continue to fly trump for free. It is not getting retired for as long as trump wants to fly it.

Trump can't take the plane with him when he leaves office you brainless leftist dogma parroting dumbass.

The promise is that trump can take the plane when he leaves office. It will become a loan to his library corporation, with all the bills paid for by the Emir of Qatar. trump will have absolute, and personal control over how it is used. he will literally take it with him after he leaves office.

The plane is given to the GOVERNMENT, not Trump you brainless hack.

It is "loaned" to the government, while trump is in the government. When he leaves the government, it will be loaned to his library corporation for his personal use. While he will not legally own it, he will legally be the sole beneficiary of it. Under money laundering laws, he would be considered the beneficiary owner of it.

It is being “ gifted” to the US Air Force not Trump

It is being loaned first to the US Government, and then when trump leaves office to the trump library corporation for trump's continued free use.

So he won't be flying it personally?

trump will be flying in this plane for the rest of his life, and when he dies he will pass on the free use of the plane to his heir(s). I doubt he could get a pilot's license to personally fly the plane, but the Emir of Qatar will pay for the hiring of actual pilots to fly the plane.

According to the General Services Administration (GSA), gifts from foreign governments exceeding a set “minimal value” must be treated as property of the United States. Recipients can only retain them by purchasing them at fair market value. Otherwise, the gift becomes part of the National Archives or GSA-managed property.

trump thinks he has found a loophole around the laws and the Constitution. he claims the plane will be a loan to his library for him to use, not a gift. I think it is a difference without a distinction, and is still illegal.

Prove it was a bribe. What did Qatar get in return?

A judge could always claim that he would have found the defendant not guilty, even without the bribe, but it really does not matter. Getting the bribe is usually all the evidence that is needed. The thing done for the bribe does not usually need to be proven. That is because bribes are usually given in subjective situations where it would be impossible to prove that the bribe was the tipping factor.

It may go on display at his library, but that's about it.

It is promised to be loaned to the trump library for his personal use, not display. trump will be flying up to NJ to play golf in it.

 

[Walt]

It's possible it might become a display in his Presidential Library. There's one in Reagan's Library. Though I doubt it, the plane will be used for longer than one Presidency usually.

It is not making sense to you. You know something is not matching up, but you cannot figure out what it is. Why would they retire a plane after one president? It should be usable for 30 to 40 years...

Let's change one assumption, and it will all fall into place for you. If we assume trump is unbelievably corruptly accepting a bribe, it all makes sense. Then the plane "loaned" to his library is going to be used for his personal use. trump gets to use the plane for the rest of his life, and his heir will get to use it after he dies. It will not technically belong to him, but will belong to him personally in all the ways that are beneficial.

So the day after he leaves office, he wants to go to Scotland to play a round of golf, he calls up his library, says, "get my plane ready for me." They use the money they received from the Emir of Qatar, and fly him in the plane to Scotland. If he dies in Scotland, junior calls up the the library and says, "as the new CEO, get my plane ready." They then get his plane ready to fly him to Africa to shoot some lion chained to the ground in a caged hunt.

This is a bribe, which trump thinks he has figured out a loophole to make legal.

 

[Into the Night]

It is attached to trump.

It is not. It was given to the United States.

So first it will be a "loan" to the US,

Nope. It's owned by the United States, Wally.

but then when trump leaves office, it will be a "loan" to his presidential library.

Possibly. So what?

It will be for his free use for the rest of his life, and then after he dies, it will be for the free use of his heir.

Nope. If it's in the library, it doesn't fly.

It is required to become a loan to the trump presidential library, where it will continue to fly trump for free. It is not getting retired for as long as trump wants to fly it.

Nope. It doesn't fly.

The promise is that trump can take the plane when he leaves office.

What "promise", Wally??

It will become a loan to his library corporation,

A library is not a corporation.

with all the bills paid for by the Emir of Qatar.

He probably won't pay for the library.

trump will have absolute, and personal control over how it is used. he will literally take it with him after he leaves office.

Nope. It doesn't fly, Wally.

It is "loaned" to the government, while trump is in the government.

Nope. It's OWNED by the government.

When he leaves the government, it will be loaned to his library corporation for his personal use.

Repetition fallacy (chanting).

While he will not legally own it, he will legally be the sole beneficiary of it. Under money laundering laws, he would be considered the beneficiary owner of it.

Paradox. Irrational. You can't argue both sides of a paradox, Wally.

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A judge could always claim that he would have found the defendant not guilty, even without the bribe, but it really does not matter. Getting the bribe is usually all the evidence that is needed. The thing done for the bribe does not usually need to be proven. That is because bribes are usually given in subjective situations where it would be impossible to prove that the bribe was the tipping factor.

What "bribe", Wally???

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Stop spamming, Wally.

 

[Into the Night]

It is not making sense to you.

It certainly is. Damocles just stated it.

You know something is not matching up, but you cannot figure out what it is. Why would they retire a plane after one president? It should be usable for 30 to 40 years...

Let's change one assumption, and it will all fall into place for you. If we assume trump is unbelievably corruptly accepting a bribe, it all makes sense. Then the plane "loaned" to his library is going to be used for his personal use. trump gets to use the plane for the rest of his life, and his heir will get to use it after he dies. It will not technically belong to him, but will belong to him personally in all the ways that are beneficial.

So the day after he leaves office, he wants to go to Scotland to play a round of golf, he calls up his library, says, "get my plane ready for me." They use the money they received from the Emir of Qatar, and fly him in the plane to Scotland. If he dies in Scotland, junior calls up the the library and says, "as the new CEO, get my plane ready." They then get his plane ready to fly him to Africa to shoot some lion chained to the ground in a caged hunt.

This is a bribe, which trump thinks he has figured out a loophole to make legal.

More mindless repetition and chanting. Repetition fallacies.

 

[QP!]

Hunter who? lol

Isn't amazing that the same magats who were so convinced they would find a link connecting the money Hunter was getting from rich people and foreign corporations for board work, to Joe Biden and thus establish the Biden Crime Family, engaged in the selling the Presidency, could find nothing, ZERO, despite years of layered investigations looking.

Isn't amazing the same magats now see President Trump directly establishing Meme Coins (digital worthless art) and making 10's of million in transaction fees aside from the fake billions in value of the meme coins... they see "deal" after "deal" in the mid east worth 10's of billions and climbing all benefitting his personal businesses directly (he has never given up ownership), ... and those same magats are ok with this.

And by "amazing" I mean predictable hypocrisy by a group (magats) who have proven to have zero moral foundation and to be a cult.

 

[Damocles]

It is not making sense to you. You know something is not matching up, but you cannot figure out what it is. Why would they retire a plane after one president? It should be usable for 30 to 40 years...

Let's change one assumption, and it will all fall into place for you. If we assume trump is unbelievably corruptly accepting a bribe, it all makes sense. Then the plane "loaned" to his library is going to be used for his personal use. trump gets to use the plane for the rest of his life, and his heir will get to use it after he dies. It will not technically belong to him, but will belong to him personally in all the ways that are beneficial.

So the day after he leaves office, he wants to go to Scotland to play a round of golf, he calls up his library, says, "get my plane ready for me." They use the money they received from the Emir of Qatar, and fly him in the plane to Scotland. If he dies in Scotland, junior calls up the the library and says, "as the new CEO, get my plane ready." They then get his plane ready to fly him to Africa to shoot some lion chained to the ground in a caged hunt.

This is a bribe, which trump thinks he has figured out a loophole to make legal.

You are babbling. If it comes to fruition the next president will ride in it, not this one. Yeah, it takes that long to make an AF1 capable plane.

 

[QP!]

Yes..
wait and see... You all are so impatient... and quick to jump to conclusions...

NO.

Wait and see is what an incredibly stupid person says.

There is nothing in bribery statutes that says you have to 'wait and see how or it the person uses the bribe'.

A bribe is established at the time of giving and taking and not down the road once you see how they use it.

 

[QP!]

It's possible it might become a display in his Presidential Library. There's one in Reagan's Library. Though I doubt it, the plane will be used for longer than one Presidency usually.

As always you lack information and yet post anyway.

The one at the Reagan Library was set to be decommissioned and retired at the end of Reagans term as all such planes have a point where repair costs (and safety issues) make no sense and replacement is necessitated.

So instead providing that jet to Reagans Museum is a win/win. A quick and costless way to get rid of it and piece of history for the museum and its visitors.

That is not analogous, in any way to jet that is no where near the end of its useful life span. And there is zero chance that Trump keeps flying on his private jet, which is arguably past the end of its useful life and should have been replace years ago, and does not replace that one, with this one.

 

[TOP]

NO.

Wait and see is what an incredibly stupid person says.

There is nothing in bribery statutes that says you have to 'wait and see how or it the person uses the bribe'.

A bribe is established at the time of giving and taking and not down the road once you see how they use it.

It's not a bribe. Just your wishful thinking...
I get this is a terribly tough time for you... You
Wish that things had turned out differently... I get that...

 

[QP!]

You are babbling. If it comes to fruition the next president will ride in it, not this one. Yeah, it takes that long to make an AF1 capable plane.

You are babbling in trying to make excuses for why the gift should be accepted. IT SHOULD NOT... FULL STOP.

Because if it is, what would happen next would be that once in the US temporary ownership they would "determine" that the upgrades cannot be made within the Trump Presidential term (as you say correctly), and since that is true and since it is also true that the final owner of the jet is the Trump Presidential Library (the terms the US gov't sets in taking) then the jet will not retrofitted for AirForce one use and will just be given to the Trump Presidential Library as is.

You assuming the US gov't would just be retrofitting for the next POTUS is not based in any fact or statements. It is CLEAR that at the end of Trumps term it goes to his library. If that is 'as is', then it still fulfills the commitment made.

 

[QP!]

It's not a bribe. Just your wishful thinking...
I get this is a terribly tough time for you... You
Wish that things had turned out differently... I get that...

I am not going to argue with stupid and you are the baseline for stupid.

it absolutely is a bribe by every definition of bribe we have seen government officials prosecuted for prior.

 

[Damocles]

You are babbling in trying to make excuses for why the gift should be accepted. IT SHOULD NOT... FULL STOP.

Because if it is, what would happen next would be that once in the US temporary ownership they would "determine" that the upgrades cannot be made within the Trump Presidential term (as you say correctly), and since that is true and since it is also true that the final owner of the jet is the Trump Presidential Library (the terms the US gov't sets in taking) then the jet will not retrofitted for AirForce one use and will just be given to the Trump Presidential Library as is.

You assuming the US gov't would just be retrofitting for the next POTUS is not based in any fact or statements. It is CLEAR that at the end of Trumps term it goes to his library. If that is 'as is', then it still fulfills the commitment made.

Whether it does or not, Trump will not use the plane. It takes years to make the plane ready for AF1 duties and will not be used by Trump.

This is just a fact. Even if you get all super angry it will not change that this plane is not "a gift for Trump", it won't even be used by him, will not belong to him, and if it ever is associated maybe it will be in a library. Though AF1 planes are usually used by far more than one President.

 

[TOP]

I am not going to argue with stupid and you are the baseline for stupid.

it absolutely is a bribe by every definition of bribe we have seen government officials prosecuted for prior.

Okay ...nice chatting with you then...

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

Isn't amazing that the same magats who were so convinced they would find a link connecting the money Hunter was getting from rich people and foreign corporations for board work, to Joe Biden and thus establish the Biden Crime Family, engaged in the selling the Presidency, could find nothing, ZERO, despite years of layered investigations looking.

Isn't amazing the same magats now see President Trump directly establishing Meme Coins (digital worthless art) and making 10's of million in transaction fees aside from the fake billions in value of the meme coins... they see "deal" after "deal" in the mid east worth 10's of billions and climbing all benefitting his personal businesses directly (he has never given up ownership), ... and those same magats are ok with this.

And by "amazing" I mean predictable hypocrisy by a group (magats) who have proven to have zero moral foundation and to be a cult.

It is amazing. It's also an amazing example of how MAGATs and their #FatFascistFelon accuse others of what *they* are guilty of. "Look over there! Look at that guy who just got a board seat because of his last name! Don't look at this guy and his kids raking in billions because of HIS last name!"

 

[Jarod]

Okay ...nice chatting with you then...

 

[Jarod]

Whether it does or not, Trump will not use the plane. It takes years to make the plane ready for AF1 duties and will not be used by Trump.

This is just a fact. Even if you get all super angry it will not change that this plane is not "a gift for Trump", it won't even be used by him, will not belong to him, and if it ever is associated maybe it will be in a library. Though AF1 planes are usually used by far more than one President.

So why accept it?

How much will he charge to tour the plane at His library?

According to the deal he outlined it will be owned by the USA for his exclusive use as long as he is in office, then revert to his library.

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

You are babbling. If it comes to fruition the next president will ride in it, not this one. Yeah, it takes that long to make an AF1 capable plane.

It will take a while unless #TRE45ONv2.0 rushes things. According to several reports, the plane goes with Trump when he leaves office and becomes part of his "presidential library" <stifles hysterical laughter> -- and is available for his personal use. It is NOT a gift from one govt. to the American people for future presidents to use.

It's a bribe, a tit-for-tat, payola. Are you good with that?

 

[QP!]

Whether it does or not, Trump will not use the plane. It takes years to make the plane ready for AF1 duties and will not be used by Trump.

This is just a fact. Even if you get all super angry it will not change that this plane is not "a gift for Trump", it won't even be used by him, will not belong to him, and if it ever is associated maybe it will be in a library. Though AF1 planes are usually used by far more than one President.

You are missing the point and i would say you are doing that deliberately, but i actually do not believe that. It is because you are dense.

The plane WILL NOT be made ready for AF1 use, EVER, because as you say, it would take years beyond Trumps term to do so.

So the Military once they have possession of it will make the determination and agree with you and then because the plane is NOT staying with them beyond Trumps term and is being turned over to his library will just do what is logic and not start retrofitting it and instead just give it to Trump Library early.

So you are correct in one point but because you lack intelligence you do not connect point 2.

The military has no right to keep the plane beyond the end of Trumps presidency as the commitment they are making in taking it is to turn it over to Trump Library. So either they begin retrofits they KNOW will never be completed and thus are wasted time and money or they just REALIZE that, after doing an assessment and then give the plane over early without wasting that money as that is the only thing that makes sense, since it is going to Trump Library anyway.