If masks and other government policies work, how do you explain this?

Darth Omar said:
Good for Michigan.

Here in WV we have high mask compliance with some exceptions. Can’t get into any chain store without one because they’ll stop you at the door but I know of at least one watering hole that’s a ‘speak easy’ lol, and my gym is essentially mask free in spite of the mandate.

We sign a sheet when entering so if there is a break out they can contact trace but so far so good. I simply won’t wear a mask on the Stair Master or whatever. It’s where I draw the line and apparently a lot of other people are the same way.

But, we clean *meticulously*. When I say we I mean everybody. Get done with a piece of equipment it gets wiped down. On top of that they keep a ‘wiper’ there during busy hours. They do nothing but clean the whole time they are there.

One of the reasons I’m a mask skeptic is because I’m far from convinced the studies that support mask use are able to control the confounding variables. Cleaning and hand washing is one of them. For example, if my gym had 100% mask compliance and not a single COVID case was traced back to it during all the months it’s been open it would be [too] easy to conclude that masks were the difference when it’s quite possible it was the cleaning.
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most of us had a parent that told us to cover our mouth when we coughed when we were Young. so it's too hard for you to go from covering your mouth with your hand when you cough to wearing a mask. people like you worry me because it is so clearly blatantly obvious that a face mask helps minimize the spread of the virus that how that escapes you can only suggest an issue on your part.
 
Darth Omar said:
Good for Michigan.

Here in WV we have high mask compliance with some exceptions. Can’t get into any chain store without one because they’ll stop you at the door but I know of at least one watering hole that’s a ‘speak easy’ lol, and my gym is essentially mask free in spite of the mandate.

We sign a sheet when entering so if there is a break out they can contact trace but so far so good. I simply won’t wear a mask on the Stair Master or whatever. It’s where I draw the line and apparently a lot of other people are the same way.

But, we clean *meticulously*. When I say we I mean everybody. Get done with a piece of equipment it gets wiped down. On top of that they keep a ‘wiper’ there during busy hours. They do nothing but clean the whole time they are there.

One of the reasons I’m a mask skeptic is because I’m far from convinced the studies that support mask use are able to control the confounding variables. Cleaning and hand washing is one of them. For example, if my gym had 100% mask compliance and not a single COVID case was traced back to it during all the months it’s been open it would be [too] easy to conclude that masks were the difference when it’s quite possible it was the cleaning.
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what part of airborne virus do you not get? very little infection from touching anything. almost all from BREATHING IN THE VIRUS...because you were too close to an infected person and neither of you were wearing a mask, or only one was, which doubled the chance of it being spread if both were wearing masks. the virus germ is 1000 TIMES LARGER THAN THE AIR YOU BREATHE, and a mask inhibits the air you breathe...get it? the virus germ is 500 times larger than the carbon dioxide you exhale, and a mask inhibits the carbon dioxide you exhale. why does this confuse you? masks have to work. good god. quit being stupid.
 
Hoosier Daddy said:
all 3 of those clowns are or were incredibly stupid and incompetent. at least reagan and bush were decent human beings.
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its time to stop being a cunt.......try to remember that the three presidents that you elected in the last fifty years were disasters........Carter gave us double digit inflation, Clinton gave us eight years of scandals and Obama doubled the national debt and gave us the slowest economic recovery since the Depression.........what can we possibly expect from Biden?........the best that can happens is that he doesn't die and leave us a President Socialist........
 
Darth Omar said:
Good for Michigan.

Here in WV we have high mask compliance with some exceptions. Can’t get into any chain store without one because they’ll stop you at the door but I know of at least one watering hole that’s a ‘speak easy’ lol, and my gym is essentially mask free in spite of the mandate.

We sign a sheet when entering so if there is a break out they can contact trace but so far so good. I simply won’t wear a mask on the Stair Master or whatever. It’s where I draw the line and apparently a lot of other people are the same way.

But, we clean *meticulously*. When I say we I mean everybody. Get done with a piece of equipment it gets wiped down. On top of that they keep a ‘wiper’ there during busy hours. They do nothing but clean the whole time they are there.

One of the reasons I’m a mask skeptic is because I’m far from convinced the studies that support mask use are able to control the confounding variables. Cleaning and hand washing is one of them. For example, if my gym had 100% mask compliance and not a single COVID case was traced back to it during all the months it’s been open it would be [too] easy to conclude that masks were the difference when it’s quite possible it was the cleaning.
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Thanks bud....But Im in WISCONSIN!...LOL
 
Guille said:
Every store here I walk into has a sign about wearing a mask but when I walk in no one is wearing one. We're over it here in Michigan.
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Thats how it is here. And when you walk in half the time not even the staff are wearing them...LOL. Its like they just put the signs up for legal reasons.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
I honestly think that because it wasn't reported on MSNBC, they believe it's fake news.....
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If you watched MSNBC you might have some conception on what is reported. California's troubles are well discussed. It is true that the network's commentators favor the view
of medical professionals over that of political dunderheads on dealing with the virus.
 
martin said:
If you watched MSNBC you might have some conception on what is reported. California's troubles are well discussed. It is true that the network's commentators favor the view
of medical professionals over that of political dunderheads on dealing with the virus.
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so what do the medical professionals on MSNBC say about the unavoidable fact the strictest shutdown procedures in the country have resulted in statistics that are worse than open states?......
 
PostmodernProphet said:
its time to stop being a cunt.......try to remember that the three presidents that you elected in the last fifty years were disasters........Carter gave us double digit inflation, Clinton gave us eight years of scandals and Obama doubled the national debt and gave us the slowest economic recovery since the Depression.........what can we possibly expect from Biden?........the best that can happens is that he doesn't die and leave us a President Socialist........
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you lie almost as much as trump, bitch. carter gave us double digit inflation? how? it was Ford, the president BEFORE carter, who started the phrase WIN- Whip Inflation Now...DUMBASS. what caused inflation was the huge massive economic costs of the Vietnam War coming to a close....wars generate the shit out of the economy, and at one time we had 500,000 soldiers in vietnam, and huge military spending increases, with a lot of economic stimulus, involved...THEN it shut down, fairly quick, and Ford and Carter inherited this huge economic engine shutting down quickly, causing inflation that took a while to settle down.

clinton was a saint compared to trump or reagan, stupid fuck. really clean administration....why do you lie?

when obama took over the federal deficit FOR BUSH'S LAST YEAR WAS 1.4 trillion dollars!! we were in the second worst economic recession in our history- the Bush Recession. but despite that, deficit spending went DOWN during obama's years..his last budget deficit was 2/3rds bush's last deficit, and trump started adding trillions to it!! what a liar you are....


EXECUTIVE BRANCH CRIMINAL ACTIVITIES BY PRESIDENTIAL ADMINISTRATION
ADMINISTRATION PARTY YEARS IN OFFICE INDICTMENTS CONVICTIONS SENTENCES

BARACK OBAMA Democratic 8 0 0 0
GEORGE W. BUSH Republican 8 16 16 9
BILL CLINTON Democratic 8 2 1 1
GEORGE H. W. BUSH Republican 4 1 1 1
RONALD REAGAN Republican 8 26 16 8
JIMMY CARTER Democratic 4 1 0 0
GERALD FORD Republican 2.4 1 1 1
RICHARD NIXON Republican 5.6 76 55
 
Hoosier Daddy said:
you lie almost as much as trump, bitch.
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for a guy with a penis in your ear, you're actually dumber than most of your peers.......

you can't even do math......stop bragging about Obama's deficits for his eighth year and acknowledge the fact that Obama's record for his first four years was worse than Trump's four year record.......and that's including the COVID crisis.....

by the way, your statistics about indictments are an outright lie as has been proven several times, most recently yesterday......
 
PostmodernProphet said:
so what do the medical professionals on MSNBC say about the unavoidable fact the strictest shutdown procedures in the country have resulted in statistics that are worse than open states?......
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The "strictest shutdown procedures in the country" exist on paper not in real life. The real difference is between those who accept the reality of the virus as an objective threat in nature and those who regard it primarily as a subjective matter of political life. The former view is shared widely around the world and observed by governments and medical establishments everywhere. The latter view is shared by people who see the world as Right and Left and indulge themselves in conspiracy theories and horseshit.
 
It always saddens me to see people running down President Carter, the most honest President you've ever had. What a pity he allowed himself to be talked into playing silly buggers in Iran and spoilt it all.
 
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